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Confused About Tyre Pressures in Cold Weather.

Skyrider

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Hi,

I'm a little confused regarding correct tyre pressures during cold weather.

The Driver's Manual for my 718 Cayman S states that the correct pressure is 33 psi at 20 degrees C. Naturally, the initial pressure is somewhat lower during the current cold spell, around 29-30 psi.

However, when I look at the Fill info in the TPM it shows little or no difference from the required pressure for the current tyre temperature.

Should I go by the Fill info & leave the pressures as they are, or top them up to 33 psi whilst they are still cold?

Thanks.

 
Attached for info. and not accounting for the TPM Fill data ...

The article that the `blue` chart came from indicates that you increase pressures back to / above the 20`C / 68`F OEM settings. Read the chart thus ...

Top line is the 20`C / 68`F setting - run down the LHS to the current temperature and then across to the `new` setting

The article does not state it but it may be associated with a tyre`s minimum pressure for supporting it`s sidewall ?

The other chart is a similar reference pointer

Personally, I only add pressure when we get sub zero`s and / or if taking a long trip as 20`C is a rarity up here

My BMW`s TPMS indicates both pressure and temperature, which confuses me even more than the above :ROFLMAO:

 
Thanks Andrew.

I have seen the blue chart before, which is one reason for my confusion: it seems to be saying that you should adjust the cold tyre pressure relative to the ambient temperature, rather than maintain the car manufacturer's single recommended setting all year round.

Whereas most tyre manufacturers & websites recommend that you do stick to the single, recommended pressure all year round, i.e. completely opposite advice!

Whereas the Driver's Manual states that you should inflate/deflate in accordance with the +/- values in the TPM Fill info screen. By way of example, in our current ambient temperatures, (10 degrees C), my pressures are around 30 psi versus the target 33 psi for "standard" pressures, which leads me to believe that they need topping up. Yet the Fill info, once activated, shows +/- 0 for each tyre leading me to believe that all is good, they do not need topping up! What to do? :rolleyes:

 
To me, that 3psi difference is of little consequence in daily driving. I monitor my tyres very closely for pressure and wear - I don`t see / feel any difference for that level of offset

I compare the TPMS values with that of a quality `manual` gauge

 
Good to know. I doubt that the 3 psi difference makes much difference to me either.

I also use a "manual" gauge alongside the TPMS values.

Thanks.

 
I originally posted this in the technical section, where I suspect not many people will see it.

I would love to find something definitive on whether to adjust tyres pressures for different ambient temperature. 20 years ago technical liaison at Michelin told me that cold pressure was (then) measured at 17° C and it would change buy 0.01 bar for each 1°C. eg. If a tyre was 2.2 bar at 17° then at at 37° it would be at 2.4 bar. (0.01 x 20) Similarly if was measured at 7° then that same tyre would be at 2.1 bar. Ideally the tyres should be adjusted to the correct cold pressure in a garage at 17° and then they will be right, if you have to set them in ambient temperature that is different the cold pressure that you use should be adjusted for this. Since then the standard temperature for "cold" tyres has been changed to 20° Some time later another technical guy, this time at Pirelli, said that this was wrong. he said the cold temperature should be at the current ambient, and you should adjust your tyre pressures depending upon the weather. So if my tyres were correct (say 2.2) when inflated in a warm garage, but then parked outside in the cold at 0° I would have to increase the pressures by 0.2 bar to bring them back up. I have read other advice that says the same thing, adjust them for the ambient you will use them in. Now my current car (Porsche GTS 4.0) has TPMS system, which seems pretty accurate. The pressure displayed concur with my gauges and the calibrated gauge at the Porsche Centre. But the Multi-Function display has a function -"Fill Info" to tell you how much to adjust the tyre pressures, and the manual is clear that it is this display that should be observed, not the pressures displayed whilst driving. The manual also states that The displayed pressures take into account the tyre temperature. Currently my tyres are at 2.2 bar, which is the correct cold pressure for the winter tyres fitted. The manual specifies cold pressure as being at 20°C. But it is cold outside - not much above 0° at the moment. The fill info on the TPMS display says that my tyres needed to be reduced by 0.2 bar, which would reduce them to 2.0 bar at the current ambient. It also gives this information on the My Porsche app. I guess that Porsche agree with what the Michelin guy said all those years ago.

For what it is worth,I’m going to try reducing my pressures as in the fill info; I took it out for a drive yesterday and it was quite squirmy under power, traction control lighting up, so perhaps they are overinflated?

 
The ”Fill Info” that shows the deviation from the set pressure is temperature compensated against a reference value set at 20C.

So you should always go by the Fill Info, For example if you have set 33PSI at 20C then irrespective of the outside air temperature the Fill Info would show 0PSI even though the actual pressure may show 29 to 30 PSI. If however the Fill Info showed -1PSI then you inflate the tyre to whatever the reading you get on your tyre pressure gauge (not the one in the car display) plus 1 PSI.

However if you are track driving then the Fill Info display is not going to be usable as the tyres will heat up to much higher temperatures so they have to be set lower than the minimum specified on the car’s data plate on the inside of the door frame. Then the problem is that the TPM will register a low pressure alarm. The 992GT3 has a mode whereby the TPM can be set for track driving i.e. disabled so it doesn’t keep warning you of a low pressure.

Having a tyre pressure set point at 20C is a bit of a pain in our climate so there are charts which show what the temperature at 20C is at different temperatures so you can then use these values to set a correct reference pressure.

 
BigCat said:
The ”Fill Info” that shows the deviation from the set pressure is temperature compensated against a reference value set at 20C.

So you should always go by the Fill Info, For example if you have set 33PSI at 20C then irrespective of the outside air temperature the Fill Info would show 0PSI even though the actual pressure may show 29 to 30 PSI. If however the Fill Info showed -1PSI then you inflate the tyre to whatever the reading you get on your tyre pressure gauge (not the one in the car display) plus 1 PSI.

However if you are track driving then the Fill Info display is not going to be usable as the tyres will heat up to much higher temperatures so they have to be set lower than the minimum specified on the car’s data plate on the inside of the door frame. Then the problem is that the TPM will register a low pressure alarm. The 992GT3 has a mode whereby the TPM can be set for track driving i.e. disabled so it doesn’t keep warning you of a low pressure.

Having a tyre pressure set point at 20C is a bit of a pain in our climate so there are charts which show what the temperature at 20C is at different temperatures so you can then use these values to set a correct reference pressure.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

 
Porsche have very kindly provided a system where the temperature compensation is applied for you so you dont have to use charts or a formula (0.01 bar less for every degree C below 20).

Just use the Fill Info, it works very well.

 
Wollemi said:
Porsche have very kindly provided a system where the temperature compensation is applied for you so you dont have to use charts or a formula (0.01 bar less for every degree C below 20).

Just use the Fill Info, it works very well.

Thanks Graham, that makes life easier :)

 

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