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Considering a 968?

Sandspider

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Hi all

Current 944 owner here, considering an upgrade to a 968 (for air con, bridge spoiler, cruise control etc.). Just wondering, has anyone had both? How do the two compare? (Perfomance, cost, ease of looking after etc. - I do most of the work on my 944 myself). And (bit of a long shot perhaps!) but is anyone looking to sell their 968, ideally near ish to Bristol?

Many thanks.

Giles
 
Started with a 1983 944 lux, then a 1996 944S 16v before a 968 tip for 12 1/2 years and now a 968 tip cab. Personal opinion (others will no doubt disagree) - the 968 leaves the other 2 for dead in many ways, especially the 16v S. You'll look long and harg to find a 968 with cruise and aircon - in fact, I can't think of seeing one with cruise, although it was an option. Like 944's, history is everything, particularly belts. Sills do not appear to be as much of a problem as on 944's, although they can still rust aparently.

If you've not tried one before, try a tip - which I drive as a clutchless manual, but stick shift not paddles or buttons!

Be prepared to travel for the right car - 968's are quite rare, so you'd be very lucky to find the right car close to home. I travelled to Peterborough for my cab, quite a hike from Ashford (Kent) on public transport!

I'd also suggest you register on porsche968uk forum - use the VIN of your existing car to register - the forum is noticably more active than the 968 forum on here, although frequenting both is worthwhile!
 
Hi Giles

I'm selling mine actually - due to ill health I can no longer drive so you're welcome to take a look. I've used it as a daily driver and it's a great car. I'm having a few little issues sorted out but fundamentally it's a great piece of kit and I hate not being able to drive it.

PM me for my number and pop over.

It does have AC but no cruise I'm afraid, but it is nice and chilly inside! I can send more details if required but I'm A bit ahead of my plans in replying at present.

Cheers, Craig
 
Thanks both.

I'm also considering a 944 S2 (as they're rather more common) but would like to try both. (I wasn't impressed when I tried a 16V S 944 either - gutless unless really revved).

The first advert for a 968 I saw had cruise control, I assumed it was reasonably common - more so than on 944s anyway. Do the 968 belts & rollers require doing on a 4 year / 40,000 mile ish cycle, like those on a 944?

Craig, yes to more details please. I will PM you in a second.

Cheers.
 
"Official" verdict is 968 belts every 6 years / 60k miles - but as these cars are ageing, many now play safe and revert to 944 timing of 4 years / 48k miles. Having said that, I managed to go rather more than 6 years (although markedly less than 60k miles) between changes in my 968 coupe - maybe I just got lucky, as I did not rag the car.
 
Giles, I have driven an 968 on several occasions. I really like the shape. However, my experience was that I found it really similar to my s2. If you are seriously considering a 968 or an s2 I'd suggest you also at least see/test drive a 944T. It's fun too. I would quite like a 968 myself but not sure I'd consider it as a step up really from my s2 or Turbo. Perhaps just different? Good luck with the search.

 
Spotted this listed yesterday on eBay - looks cheap for the spec.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130752635592?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

I wonder about the suspension upgrades on the car and whether that would make the ride harsh - as I suspect the car is on 17" rims (extra cost option) rather than coupe standard 16's. KW V3, M030 ARB and powerflex bushes sounds more track car than road car - I remember a thread some time back on 968uk where an owner had installed powerflex bushes but found they made the ride too harsh so reverted to original rubber. However, from the write-up it looks a car worth test driving - especially at that price!
 
Thanks for the input, all.

If anything, I'm getting more confused! As I said, I'm already considering a 944 S2 too, for familiarity, plus lower prices and more choice. But I do like the look of the 968, plus it's a bit more modern... I even vaguely considered a Boxster, but they're not that unusual, and I don't like the looks of the back end that much. And I hadn't really considered a 944 turbo! Think I need to do some more test driving... [&:]

I suppose cruise control isn't essential, and yes I think it's quite fiddly / expensive to retrofit. It was more to stop myself from accidentally pressing on a bit too briskly!

Chris, that red one you linked to was actually the first one I saw on PH. Hence I thought cruise control was fairly common! I am in touch with the owner, and might try and have a look at that one at the same time I possibly have a look at Craig's car. (Will see how tolerant my girlfriend will be!) The only thing is, I don't really want a red car, 968 or 944 - bit too ostentatious for me.

On another note, how do people think the tiptronic 968 compares to the 6 speed full manual 968? Am I right in thinking the tiptronic 968 only has 4 gears? Does that increase fuel consumption a fair bit?
 

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On another note, how do people think the tiptronic 968 compares to the 6 speed full manual 968? Am I right in thinking the tiptronic 968 only has 4 gears? Does that increase fuel consumption a fair bit?

My first 2 944's - a 1983 lux and a 1986 S - were both manual, as was our "shopping trolley" at the time (and until 4 years ago). In late 1998 I bought my 968 coupe, my first "automatic" car - but I almost always drove it as a clutchless manual using the gearstick. 4 years ago we swopped the shopping trolley for a car with tiptronic - and I would not go back to a manual for either car now, in fact when I decided to scratch the cabriolet itch last year I bought my 968 tip cab!

I cannot compare the 968 manual to tip as I have never driven a manual 968. However, despite the tip "only" having 4 gears rather than 6, I have no problem as the engine has superb bottom end torque - you can pull away from stationary in 2nd easily, and still be in 2nd when you get a speeding ticket on the motorway! In manual mode the box will only come down to 2 of its own accord, you have to manually select 1st (which gets you off the line very smartly but redlines at about 40) or floor it, and she'll kick down. The box is clever - in manual mode, red line it without touching the stick and she'll change up. Let the revs drop to about 1000-1200 decelerating in 4th or 3rd without touching the stick, and she'll change down. Means that you don't come to a stop at a roundabout in 4th and then have a brown trousers moment as you try to pull into a tight gap in traffic - as happened to me test driving an M3 Evo Steptronic in 1998!! In full auto I believe the box has about 5 modes and adapts gear change revs to suit the way you're driving - but I've never tested that as I invariably use manual mode.

Fuel eceonomy is greatly affected by driving style and type. On a long motorway 70ish cruise I've seen over 30mpg, normal driving is about 25, trackday looning will be considerably less (again, not yet tried so don't know for sure).

My personal opinion is that the tip gives you a relaxed and easy drive when required, but using the stick for manual changes gives almost the experience of a manual. Tip is particularly good in heavy traffic - mush easier on the left leg!

I love the look of the 968 in Guards Red - which my coupe was - and I think that one looks potentially a very good buy - especially as I know what I sold my coupe for last July, OK 64k miles but none of the suspension etc upgrades that one has. As I said, my concern would be whether the ride would be too harsh for me - others would say those upgrades make the car!!
 
Thanks for the info Chris, I will try and try both. (Though I've always been a fan of manual cars)

As an aside, whereabouts in Kent are you? I have family near Canterbury, but have never seen a 968 (or indeed a 944) in that region as far as I can remember...
 
Not that far from Canterbury - we're in a village between Ashford and Tenterden. 968's are rare in this neck of the woods - I know of 2 cabs near Maidstone, saw a cab for sale in New Romney a while back, and there's a couple of coupes that we occasionally see at R25 monthly meets. Once you're joined porsche968uk there's a members location map where quite a few of us have "pinned" our approximate location.

As for 944's - we have quite a selection at monthly meets, from Ian's track car (which he initially called the shed) to really well kept examples, we even have the occasional 924/928/928S4, a 914 and a 356! Mind you, we're outnumbered by the mid and rear engine philistines!!
 
Hi Giles, I swapped my 944 Turbo for a 968 Sport earlier this year, and whilst I miss the booost, electric seats, aircon and looks of the 944, the 968 is a more complete package, and just feels and looks more modern, and is also great for dressing down know-it-all bores who insist that it is the one with the V8....

I know you could get a 944S2 and upgrade the suspension to the same as a 968 for less money than a good 968, and be within 10% of the capability, but there is also a huge image gap. The 944 is often seen as the poor-man's Porsche (even though my 944T cost more than a base 911 in 1988!) whereas the 968 is viewed as the enthusiast's Porsche (by those who have ever heard of it!).

With the arrival of the £3k Boxster values and image are even more confused!

My advice would be to drive both a 968 and a 944T and see which whets your whistle
 
Giles,
If you go to Caversham to look you're welcome to come and see my 944t on the way there or back.
Its not quite standard mind....

David
 
Hi all

Thanks for the continued interest! I've been abroad for a while, but am trying to sort the logistics of viewing several cars on the way to Kent the weekend after next. David, yes I would also like to see yours please - didn't go past you very frequently as I broke up with my long distance girlfriend, but if you're about on the evening of Friday the 14th September I'd love to pop in and have a quick look? When you say not quite standard, do you know how many horsepower she has now?
 

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