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Differences between 993 RS CS and 993 Cup Car?

BlueNGT

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What are the differences between a 993 RS CS and 993 Cup car?

Visually I know the Cup usually has bonnet pins, the X side bars in the roll cage and usually one seat...what else?

Any engine differences?

Also what would you expect to be the difference in values of a good example of each?

Thanks
 
Valuing depends v much what they ve been used for ,how often and condition right now , have 3 air jacks , central locking wheels ..........u ve mentionedcage differences ............in my experience nebver found one with an engine that did nt have something modded ,Titanium valve springs essential, cams usually pegged , exhaust who knows? Little bit of mild polishing? then what ever u like ..........the fact is they all left the factory with just over 300 bhp except the 20 odd real rsr that had 380bhp......................most had twin oil coolers at the front
Quality ones seem to be going thru at £50 -60k...........at 60 was raced 4 times completely refurbed black looks stunning , they re likely to be over 10 yrs old now can be easily imported and road registered here without much documentation .................totallly shagged , rolled up racers how many wud u like at £25k ???
CS non stuffed £55 upwrad s, find a straight one and u ve done well , they are out there , one of the most satisfying cars i ever owned
 
I understood late cuppies were 312-15bhp vs 300 of CS. different matter cage on cuppy an extra side bar,,, don't forget airjacks fitted (extra weight) air jack connector and power cut out are on front valance by windscreen.

harder suspension rate with cup, billet top mounts and solid rear subframe mount.

speedlines are centre lock rather than 5 bolt.

cuppies came before the RS, so an early cup car may not have full engine spec, look out for regular carrera front wings with grommets where the headlight wash goes, cheaper to replace than RS items.

When i was looking for a cup or clubsport, Paul Howells was very helpful, he advised from his own experience that a cup car is not really a prospect for the road. As I drive to trackdays that more or less ruled one out for me.
There are quite a few cuppies on the road, you need handbrake, quietish exhausts and usual indicators working etc to get them through an SVA.

With respect to values, as Vic says prices are all over the place and you need to evaluate each car on it's own merits and your intended use.
Hardly any cars are standard after 10 years, I think a CS is worth more than a cuppy, partly because there appear to be 3 times as many cups made.

I bought a standard CS and am more than happy with it on road and track.
 
Forgot the front wings Paul sorry , my CS had outside cut off on valance fitted , and stiffer suspension from new , like the 2 front oil coolers cud be ordered from new .....................Cup cars very hard to find 2 the same ...........anything that gets developed [ like the front wings] depends whats on the shelf the day they spec it up!!!
 
As I am looking for a cup car to replace my 993 RS road car I have been doing some research.
It must be remembered that cup cars have no varioram system and used the same gearbox more or less at the clubsport. that means 1st and 2nd geat synchros are £2k each.
It also appears that SVA adds value to the car.
Perhaps the best combination is a cup shell, super light, with 993RS oily bits fitted.
the frist cup cars did not have the large aero pack that was fitted as standard to all clubsports.
Clubsports appear to be the best bet as an invetsment
 
Agree on best buy , but u dont need an SVA if its over 10 years old and i cant see why it wud add value ??
 
Our friends at Gmund Cars want £3000 to get their 993 Cup road legal. Seems a lot for a silencer, a hand brake, a pair of side repeaters, a fog light and a pair of number plates. That lot would certainly cost a bit to put on and some people do like to drive to a track day so it would add a bit of value IMHO.
 
Whats is that about 1st & 2nd gear synchros on a CS Ian !!!!!!
I will now try to pull away in third and only use 4th, 5th & 6th [;)]

I am convinced the CS makes the most sense from an investment point of view, plus the fact it is still pretty good as a road car.

I know we are aware of the subtle differences, but I have seen a couple of road legal cup cars advertised as clubsports [8|]
 
Ian, have you spoken with Thomas about the silver CS that "may" be available?

It sounds like one of the best unmodified cars available.
 
Having had 2 'museum piece' cars of a '73 RS and 993RS I now want car I can try and drive the doors off on a track.
An act I will probaly fail at.
Either way a 11k miles from new 993RS/CS, i guess this is the one you means at H&S, gets me back to the museum cars meaning the putting to the track day sword will effect the value massively.
So I am looking for a used but solid, i.e. not been on its roof after 3 barrel rolls 993 cup.
I would also like to drive it to circuits here and on the continent.
All the 993RS synchros are made of steel and on the CS the higher gears have slightly different ratios.
I think SVA should be grand tops only if it is under 10 years old.
In terms of cup car power I have heard 345 max with a good rebuild and remap. In 1100 kilos this will be quick.
 
Hopefully Paul H will be along to clear up the issue of cup car power.....I would be amazed if you can get them to 345 bhp with just a re-map......on the road cars there are emissions to consider, not so on a cup car....why would Porsche only run them at 315 ish if there was all that potential.....From my understanding and extensive discussions with the guy who looks after cars for both of us I am told different pistons/barrels would be required.

I totally understand your point of view with respect to the silver car, I would love to own it, but doubt I would track it either....missing the point of the car as we discussed before...good luck with your search [:)]
 
Hi
Best power we could get from our cup car was 330bhp,with a bigger throttle body.You must get more air into the engine,not just fuel.This has proved to be very reliable.
All cup cars are non varioram,with one large throttle body.Lots of little differances like
Abs,brake master cylinder,steering rack,dampers and springs,extra seem welding,the list goes on.
There are some reasonably priced cup cars about in france and germany at the moment,but buyer beware as usual.
I am looking to bringing into the uk one of the very rare 993rsrcup cars,a very interesting car.
 
Hi Ian, I realise you meant Paul H with respect to the european cup cars,,,,
but I assume you have seen www.germansportscars.de they have more 993RS & cup than I have seen there for over a year.

Anyhow, what happened to BlueNGT who asked te original question? Did you get the answer? are you now looking for one????
 
Sorry guys. I was posting for a Friend, he was considering changing his fabulous Riviera Blue 993RS (as seen in Sepetember GT Purely Porsche) for one of the Cup cars at H&S.

He is sticking with it now until he finds a nice 993RS Clubsport in either Riviera, White or Black. Anybody know of any for sale please let me know.

Thanks for all the replies though.
 
Good luck to Steve, with his quest...I never managed to find a nice clubsport (available to purchase) in riviera, white or black over a 2 year search.[&o]
 
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Good luck to Steve, with his quest...I never managed to find a nice clubsport (available to purchase) in riviera, white or black over a 2 year search.[&o]

I'll tell him...thanks!!!
 
One of the white cup cars on Toms site was rebuilt nut and bolt by a very good guy..............i ve seen it over 3 years from shell ......................its just amazing!!!!REALLY amazing full detail exceptional .........................................
 

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