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do 968's feel underpowered?

jamescharnley

jamescharnley

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I am thinking of getting a 968 Clubsport. My worry is I might find it underpowered ( coming from 911's) . Is this going to be the case?
 
Coming from the two cars you have in your profile (I love the one for sale by the way - if only I had the cash) I doubt it will feel underpowered, but it will feel an awful lot different. They aren't supercars by any stretch and most modern hot hatches aren't too far behind in the power stakes, but the one thing they do have is bags of torque right through the rev range. This makes them feel very long legged - accelerate from low revs and it just keeps on pulling and just when you think it might die off a bit, it just gets stronger. It also makes them very easy to drive around town etc. Given that they have 4 seats (ahem) and lots of room for shopping, who needs a Focus ST? [:D]

Try one out - there are plenty of 968 meets and lots of friendly owners who will happily give you a ride, if not a drive! The forum at http://www.porsche968uk.co.uk/phpbb/index.php is the busiest UK forum for 968 owners. There are quite a few CS for sale at the moment and a few are "known" cars.
 
I will admit I am a new 968 CS owner. For me its a mixture of my old mad Type-R Integra for the power kick and my lazy 8v Golf GTI for the drivability.

Do I love it ? - - You bet !. Where I live there are many 911 but I have never seen another 968. It all depends on what you are after. If out and out power are your thing then maybe not the best car to pick, and I would be stupid not to say if I had the money yes I'd have a 911 in a flash, but I don't and I am happy [:D][:D][:D]

I paid a bit more then the odds for mine @ £14k but the history and low miles made it a good purchase in my eyes.
 
James

It will only feel underpowered if you want or are used to cars that do well under 6 secs for 0-60. Yes, as mentioned above the torque is a significant plus as well as the long legged 6 speed box.

I do quite a lot of trackdays in my '92 coupe and it can be a bit frustrating when more exotic (& more expensive) machinery pulls away after a corner BUT I can live with that because I catch them on the corners! as it goes round on rails and brakes well. So when I am at full chat, it is only the 911's with say +280 bhp and or race prepared/lightened that can get away -- and I know which car is much better value for money!

paul f
 
I am looking at a clubsport to use for trackdays & some fun road stuff. I have only done a couple of trackdays so am looking for a car to learn in & then upgrade in the future to a 964RS. A 968 Clubsport does look good value & the plan would be to uprate the suspension (KW), fit a cage and maybe some big reds.

I could do something similar with a 964 but the initial cost of teh car would be higher & I think a modded 968 would be easier to sell in the future than a modded 964.

For road use, I do have one of the best drivers 911's ever anyway [;)][:D]
 
ORIGINAL: legaleagleboy

James

It will only feel underpowered if you want or are used to cars that do well under 6 secs for 0-60. Yes, as mentioned above the torque is a significant plus as well as the long legged 6 speed box.

I do quite a lot of trackdays in my '92 coupe and it can be a bit frustrating when more exotic (& more expensive) machinery pulls away after a corner BUT I can live with that because I catch them on the corners! as it goes round on rails and brakes well. So when I am at full chat, it is only the 911's with say +280 bhp and or race prepared/lightened that can get away -- and I know which car is much better value for money!

paul f
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what power do you get with the chip?
 
Hardly any...
The only main difference with putting a "chip" in is the car drives smoother + o/all better...
Porsche did a very good job of extracting about all the power from the 68 engine to start with...[;)][;)]
Check out www.968uk.com [ scroll down the left hand side for the forum button.],,for LOADS of info on this subject...
 
Having said that there is someone on the 944 fourm who has an S2 (same engine than what's in the 968 without the variocam) who had a custom map done and he reckoned his power went up from the stock 211bhp to 248bhp, so std off the shelf chips might not improve power but a custom map appears to, but they are about three times more expensive though.

Some off-the shelf chips do increase the rev limiter by 500rpm so you will get a bit more power from the extra revs but only if you've got the courage or confidence to use them!
 
ORIGINAL: jamescharnley

I am looking at a clubsport to use for trackdays & some fun road stuff. I have only done a couple of trackdays so am looking for a car to learn in & then upgrade in the future to a 964RS. A 968 Clubsport does look good value & the plan would be to uprate the suspension (KW), fit a cage and maybe some big reds.

I could do something similar with a 964 but the initial cost of teh car would be higher & I think a modded 968 would be easier to sell in the future than a modded 964.

For road use, I do have one of the best drivers 911's ever anyway [;)][:D]
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Hi James,

Why not just go for a standard 964 (good prices at the moment!), plenty of power and for learning track skills it would be more than cabable in stock form. You may do yourself more harm than good learning in a front engined car then switching back to a 911 again in the future, they are completely different beasts on the track! (I had a 911SC that I tracked a couple of times, then got into 924 racing)

Good luck whatever you choose to do!

Cheers,

Tim.
 
James

My 968CS is an excellent base for a track car and has a De-Cat (sounds better, free reving and possibly adds more power), a chip fitted, K&N air filter and a drilled airbox that adds induction noise and increased breathing.

It has also had new cams & chain and the plate lift sorted (both major weak points of a 968). With K&W suspension it would be a great track car[:D][:)]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/65082.htm
 
James - of the ones on Pistonheads, for your needs I would consider one of the following (and I have no vested interest, although Andrew is a friend and I know his car, I am being objective!)

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/65082.htm - Cheap and it has had a lot of the potential high-cost items/known problems seen to of late so it would be a safe option. It has been mildly modified with the sorts of things most owners would do to a track car. Given that you will be modifying it further it is a great starting point. With KW fitted replacing the old suspension, plus the work Andrew has had done recently, it would be mechanically as new! The only down side is that it doesn't have CS seats so you would probably be wanting to change them if doing a lot of track work. Good value for money I reckon.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/59902.htm I love this one - I don't know the car or owner although Lewis races Porsches and is occasionally on the forums. Its a great looking original 968 that appears to have been well looked after. The price is probably fair given that it looks so good, but it may not be for you if you are wanting to trick it up a bit!

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/53875.htm This is Del Brocklehursts car - Dels article about taking it to the 'ring was in PP this month. Del was sadly lost to us last year. I have actually driven this car - but before Del had been on track and spent a fortune on the car. This is a very well sorted track car indeed. It is LHD, low miles and possibly looks a little expensive, but it has everything done to it that you would want - that is worth a lot of money. It has aircon too! It was nice example back in the day when I had a go in it, but that probably counts for little now - it is totally transformed!

Hope some of that helps a little!
 
thanks for all the replies. Now I have started to look for a clubsport I'm finding the prospect of one more exciting than a 964 [:)]

I have also now got my home broadband up & running again so I can spend some time in the evenings checking out the cars on teh markets etc..

Are there any 'known' problems to keep an eye out for? ( I am aware of the belts & chains)
 
Scott.
That would be me then...[ the custom map ]...on a 944S2...[:D][:D][:D]

To extract that 245bhp isnt as staight forward as having it mapped...[;)][;)] + yes it DEFINATELY has got 245 bhp as ive got the print out to prove it.....
The engine has had a FULL rebuild , incl a "few" tuning parts. Lightening + balancing the whole bottom end etc etc etc....+ a MAF kit from promax ,, etc etc etc....[;)][;)] to name but a few things....[;)][;)]
I dread to think what it would cost on a 968.....????

JAMES
You DEFO need to visit www.968uk.com the forum has loads of info.. WAY more than this site has....+ you can spend enless hours browsing the posts for any buying guides, tunning upgrades, etc etc...[;)][;)][;)]
 
James

I have a copy of the buyers guide from 911 & Porsche World if you want me to fax it to you. It lists most of the weak points.

 
thanks

I have the buyers guides & I'm researching lots on the web [:)]

The problem is I have this niggle in the back of my mind (a 964) [&:]
 
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