I have C4S with X51 etc...love it, best sounding Porsche Ive ever been in. I am getting silly as I get older or something becuase now Im not feeling its power like I used too...I feel the need for more Ommph!...like the GT3 but I really cannot have one becuase of that rear spoiler, Im sorry but I just hate it!. So 997 Turbo..will that satisfy my need for more oommph?...one major problem Is the sound of my car is so good, it feels so alive, bit worried the turbo is going to feel a bit quiet & flat ( sound & feel wise ) compared to mine..mine also has the 20mm lowered lock diff. The X51 with the PSE is just the dogs danglies in the differance it makes to the whole character of the car....maybe I should just leave my car alone for a month & when I come back to it, then it will feel fast again!
Do I Need a Turbo or a GT3?
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Sunil
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Best thing to do is take one out for an extended test drive. I loved the oomph of the Turbo and hated everything else about it. I believe that my 997S 'feels' like a sports car whereas the Turbo is more of a GT. I say this despite the Turbo being the fastest thing I've been at the helm of aside from sports bikes. The acceleration really is blistering but you only get a true feel for how quick the car is when you see the traffic disappear as you overtake everything in sight.
Believe me, I was gutted after I drove the Turbo and this was made worse by the fact that mine was being delivered on the 1st March this year. I cancelled my order.
So far as the GT3 goes, the OPC are planning to get me on a driving day experience so I can check it out. If I like it, I can have one for Sept this year. That said, in all likelihood, I will buy a direct injection 997S with X51.
Having said that, that's what I say now and, no doubt about it, I'm likely to change my mind. [
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The one thing I won't change my mind about is that I don't want a 997 Turbo.
Believe me, I was gutted after I drove the Turbo and this was made worse by the fact that mine was being delivered on the 1st March this year. I cancelled my order.
So far as the GT3 goes, the OPC are planning to get me on a driving day experience so I can check it out. If I like it, I can have one for Sept this year. That said, in all likelihood, I will buy a direct injection 997S with X51.
Having said that, that's what I say now and, no doubt about it, I'm likely to change my mind. [
] The one thing I won't change my mind about is that I don't want a 997 Turbo.
YvesD
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The perfect car of course would be the 997S with around 430-450 ponies.
This is easily within reach of the next generation 4 litre flat six when power kitted and would really raise the bar out of reach of other pretenders to the throne.
The current engine is in a relatively low state of tune when all's said and done.
C'mon Porsche, give us what we need !
Yves
This is easily within reach of the next generation 4 litre flat six when power kitted and would really raise the bar out of reach of other pretenders to the throne.
The current engine is in a relatively low state of tune when all's said and done.
C'mon Porsche, give us what we need !
Yves
garyw
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A simple addition of one of the aftermarket systems soon sorts out the sound of the Turbo.
I'm looking myself at the moment, but part of the attraction is the stealth of what the Turbo offers.
Two different cars in style and approach...
Maybe a GT2 would answer your prayers ?? [8D]
and please rather than "I hated everthing about it", can you offer a reasoning with the post, it could be determined as flaming the model [] and gives all readers valuable comparisons.. I'm sure there are quite a few people in the same position.
garyw
I'm looking myself at the moment, but part of the attraction is the stealth of what the Turbo offers.
Two different cars in style and approach...
Maybe a GT2 would answer your prayers ?? [8D]
and please rather than "I hated everthing about it", can you offer a reasoning with the post, it could be determined as flaming the model [
] and gives all readers valuable comparisons.. I'm sure there are quite a few people in the same position.garyw
Sunil
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ORIGINAL: garyw
and please rather than "I hated everthing about it", can you offer a reasoning with the post, it could be determined as flaming the model [
Well, it's been reasoned not just by myself but by others as well in the 997 forum so I took it as a given and saw no need to repeat everything but, for your benefit, my reasoning is detailed below from previous posts:
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=237188&mpage=2
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=237188&mpage=3&key=
I didn't 'flame' the car, I merely stated my personal opinion. I also suggested that the best thing to do is to take a TT for an extended drive so that Chris could form his own opinion to see if it's what he's looking for. It's certainly not what I'm looking for in a sports car and each to their own. Would it now look to some like I was 'flaming' the car? It shouldn't do.
I don't see how anyone should feel overly sensitive about the 'flaming' the TT based on what I've said - especially if one looks at previous quotes such as:
To reiterate, apart from the incredible acceleration, I find the TT lacking. I hope this post is of some benefit to other members as you have suggested.
Regards,
Sunil
If you really want speed and feel, and are willing to put down this amount to upgrade from a depreciated asset to a depreciating asset, I would councel you to go to Ruf and get a supercharger fitted. Having an actual Ruf car, fully customised to your tastes, could very well be a much more exclusvive and custom-made experience (change whatever you want) to achieving your dreams.
It is not cheap, which is what is nagging me as I contemplate doing exactly this!
It is not cheap, which is what is nagging me as I contemplate doing exactly this!
John, do you have a website link for Ruf...cannot seem to find much when I google Ruf Porsche.
Interesting views indeed, I dont think I want to chip my car, never been a fan of that sort of thing, probably a bit narrow minded of me Im sure. Could quite fancy a Ruf jobby, but also have to book that test drive in the TT. Washed my guards Red C4S last night, admired it a bit, went for a spin, came back and thought hmmm I do love you!!...oh the fickled nature of car love.
Interesting views indeed, I dont think I want to chip my car, never been a fan of that sort of thing, probably a bit narrow minded of me Im sure. Could quite fancy a Ruf jobby, but also have to book that test drive in the TT. Washed my guards Red C4S last night, admired it a bit, went for a spin, came back and thought hmmm I do love you!!...oh the fickled nature of car love.
you need to google ruf automobile
Personally I find the American site (authorised dealer) better than the German one, still here goes
http://www.rufautocentre.com/
http://www.ruf-automobile.de
Feast your eyes on this simple write-up
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=117299
Personally I find the American site (authorised dealer) better than the German one, still here goes
http://www.rufautocentre.com/
http://www.ruf-automobile.de
Feast your eyes on this simple write-up
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=117299
garyw
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Chris, my test drive in the TT was a disappointment. It was on a predetermined route that really didn't show what the car could do or inspire.
Luckily the salesman did finally let me go off route and find some roads that both left me AND the salesman smiling.[]
Its not until driving the car after a few days and pushing it whilst returning through Germany that I fully got to understand the car.
In short I don't really think the 1hr test drive shows the car off that well. I'd push for longer.
But with the delivery waiting times as they are, the dealership doesn't really need to work that hard ..[:'(]
garyw
Luckily the salesman did finally let me go off route and find some roads that both left me AND the salesman smiling.[
]Its not until driving the car after a few days and pushing it whilst returning through Germany that I fully got to understand the car.
In short I don't really think the 1hr test drive shows the car off that well. I'd push for longer.
But with the delivery waiting times as they are, the dealership doesn't really need to work that hard ..[:'(]
garyw
Thanks for the links John...indeed it does sound great. Two things bother me and that is firstly getting my car to Germany and back, as I understand that there is no UK supplier. Secondly the issue of messing so much with an expensive car...Im presuming that Porsche wont do the extended warranty after the 2 year Ruf warranty is up, and therefor what does the Ruf conversion do for resale value?
I think Im leaning more towards the TT..I mean 480bhp should just about satisfy my craving, then fitting a better exhaust system to it....I think the residuals would be a lot better than a Ruf and it would still be a Porsche warranted car....time to sort out that tesdt drive, wonder if I get one for a weekend!!!
I think Im leaning more towards the TT..I mean 480bhp should just about satisfy my craving, then fitting a better exhaust system to it....I think the residuals would be a lot better than a Ruf and it would still be a Porsche warranted car....time to sort out that tesdt drive, wonder if I get one for a weekend!!!
Sunil
New member
[
]Seriously though, we all know that there are no proper sports cars that offer the practicality of a 911. I've looked around for alternatives and have seriously considered a GT3. Driving a TT made me realise just how lucky I was to own and drive a 997 Carrera S - it's going to be a very hard car to replace.
The GT3 is probably a little too raw for my everyday needs although I would love to have one and the TT, for all its amazing acceleration, is too tame - a direct injection X51 Carrera 2S should be just right.
Almost sounds like a Goldilocks story, doesn't it? [
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Then wait until your out of warranty and get a chip upgrade for about 15% more power and a better power to weight ratio than the TT........[
][][]Some one like RUF is bound to have an upgrade based on the x51 soon and its likely to liberate lots more gg's....same sound even more power.....
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