Do you get rust on a 964?

[andyslade]

I am looking to buy my next 911.I have allways had pre 89 911,s before,but am getting a bit fed up with looking at rusty cars for sale.I am thinking about a 964 instead.I know about all the mechanical bits to look out for,but do they rust in the same places as the earlier cars?
Thanks for any help,
Andrew

 

[Helen Goff]

yup, i have come across several 964 with the tell tell bubbles in their paintwork in the usual places. but they do seem to be less prone than the earlier cars................or is that because they are just younger [:-]

 

[Dave Wilkinson]

I agree with Helen that quite a lot of 964s seem to suffer the good old windscreen surround rust - the rubber surround just seems to be shaped ideally to trap the water.

I haven't seen any mention to speak about of rust elsewhere. The underbody metalwork tends to suffer a bit but they can be relatively easily replaced - albeit expensive - but the main bodywork and sills (where the earlier cars seem to get it) seem thankfully free from attack.

I know the 964 body is galvanised but I thought that was also true of the 3.2s. Maybe it's something to do with all that oil liberally released from the engine that keeps the rust at bay

Regards

Dave

 

[andyslade]

Thanks for the replys.
My main concern is rust around the B posts, kidney bowls,and sills,as these are expensive areas to have repaired.Is the 964 better protected in these areas(does it have wing liners).
Andrew

 

[Porker993]

ORIGINAL: Computamedic

Maybe it's something to do with all that oil liberally released from the engine that keeps the rust at bay [8D]

[] Yes - at least the '89 C4 I sold will never rust round the engine ! It had plenty of bubbles around front and rear screens though.

 

[Porker993]

ORIGINAL: andyslade

Thanks for the replys.
My main concern is rust around the B posts, kidney bowls,and sills,as these are expensive areas to have repaired.Is the 964 better protected in these areas(does it have wing liners).
Andrew

I've never heard of 964s rusting around these areas. However - corrosion is age (and salt) related - so if 3.2 carreras are starting to have serious corrosion issues, then I would expect 964s not to be too far behind, with 993s bringing up the rear. (Gulp).[]

 

[kevin]

In answer to your question yes they do rust around there, I looked a a couple that had rust there.

Tha main issues with them are poorly repaired stone chips on the outside of the headlamps, and those folks whose cars have run without wheel arch protectors, and yes I've seen those as well.....just look on top of the aircon rad, or the oil cooler for the tell tale signs on the ceramic stat.......they do corrode.

Sills go, mainly from the oil lines and mother nature turning the rubber trim as hard as concrete, the bodywork moves, and the seal slices through the paintwork, and galvanising......

But they are few and far between, and you shouldn't let that put you off, any decent repairer should be able to sort it out for a couple of quid.....my windscreen job was £400 all in.....have a look at my website write up on it..

Kevin

 

[Porker993]

I think wheel arch protectors are vital. Any car without them (whether it be a 964, 993 or earlier 911) is a rust bucket waiting to happen. Stones are thrown up at high velocity into the vulnerable sill, wing and headlight areas. My 1975 2.7 911 was a case in point.

 

[ravva]

Is it possible to retro fit the protectors and any ideas where i can get a pair from?

 

[sawood12]

Anyone using their 964 as a daily runner day in day out in all weathers? I've been hankering for a 964/993 for some time now but can't bring myself to get rid of the 944 so want a 964 as well (if I can convince the wife it is the one thing missing in our lives)! Because i've only got a single garage it means that I will have to share my daily driving between both cars. I realise that galvanised bodies only staves off rust and doesn't prevent it forever and I am quite prepared to ahve to stump up for a complete respray in say three to five yrs or so. Just wondered if anyone can advise me of how quickly I might see the bodywork deteriorate in front of my eyes!

 

[colin129]

ORIGINAL: sawood12

Anyone using their 964 as a daily runner day in day out in all weathers? I've been hankering for a 964/993 for some time now but can't bring myself to get rid of the 944 so want a 964 as well (if I can convince the wife it is the one thing missing in our lives)! Because i've only got a single garage it means that I will have to share my daily driving between both cars. I realise that galvanised bodies only staves off rust and doesn't prevent it forever and I am quite prepared to ahve to stump up for a complete respray in say three to five yrs or so. Just wondered if anyone can advise me of how quickly I might see the bodywork deteriorate in front of my eyes!

My 944S2 has been out in all weathers more or less since I have owned it (10 1/2 years) and seems to have held up very well, although various bits have been resprayed during that time, there is no more rust than you would expect on a 17 year old car, i.e. the usual suspects but nothing at all serious. The only issue is that being Guards Red, those bits that haven't been sprayed have suffered and gone milky. This can be brought back using a product called 3M Finition, which is a very light rubbing compound used by bodyshops after spraying. It is NOT T-cut which should not be recommended as it is too vicious.

I too have recently taken the plunge into 964 ownership (should be picking the new baby up next week[][][]) and much as I'd like to keep both cars, finances do not permit and I will be selling the old girl on shortly.

 

[Gordon Attar]

Sawood
I n response to your mails here and on the 944 register.

Had a 964 Targa as a daily driver then lowered the mileage to protect its value( had it 3.5 years 25k lost £250 in value). The car runs better from more frequent use, my presumption was that there is a lot of early electrics in the car that just need to be kept more active and it also helps keep everything lubricated including the seals. I would suggest a coupe if its being kept outside permanantly

Very rarely here of rust and 9 out of ten seem to be always related to the areas around screens, ! windscreen replacements probably a major factor and incorrectly fitted rubber. Personally I would have a good look at the inside of the rear wheel arches as there were no protectors behind the rear wheel in mine so somewhere for the mud and damp to collect.

So I would say that they are better than the 944S2 as sills etc are not an issue so if the car is in good condition and a must is have a PPI you should not need a full body respray and finally they are an improvement/step up from a 944 noting my comments on the 944 register.

 

[skendrick]

I had a 944 turbo and now got the C4, both have sat out in all weathers and is my daily drive. All you need to do is keep it clean and well waxed. I have a car cover but don't realy use it. My advise (if you can afford it) is buy the 911 and after a few months you'll know which one you prefer to get into each morning and then sell the other. But if you have one car then it will always be garaged therefoe less prone to rusting (no visible rust on mine yet, touch wood).
With me it was my wife that was telling me to buy it and it was me that was umming and arring, but I gave in in the end.
Good luck

 

[sawood12]

Cheers guys. The 944T has been a real pleasant surprise and it is turning more and more into a hobby car with various mods going in. I doubt a 964 will have the raw pace the 944T has but I fancy one all the same for the different and unique driving experiance you get with the older 911's. If I ever get the plan past the wife i'd probably alternate between the 944 and 964 every week - however the wife has just spotted a nice Mini Cooper S so the plan is definately under threat!!

Good to hear they are pretty bulletproof as daily drivers though. I'd hate to end up with two rust-buckets on the drive.

 

[George Elliott]

Scott
my experience is the 944 attracts less attention. In some country's thats a problem and England is right up there with cameras and a certain type of client popular among the gen public.
It can be a major factor in everyday driving.
George

944T
964

 

[Gordon Attar]

It has the raw pace and it kicks in earlier, all the figures say its slightly faster than a std 944 Turbo, only thing is it is a toatlly differnt driving experience.