does tiptronic cut it??
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garyw
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Yes it does cut it, real world I think its quicker, just the stigma of "real sports cars and manuals sticks.
I have a manual this time round and do enjoy the manual, but the tip is one easy car to drive.. once the tip has got used to your driving style and you used to it ( which I assume you already are) they are great to drive in manual mode.
garyw
I have a manual this time round and do enjoy the manual, but the tip is one easy car to drive.. once the tip has got used to your driving style and you used to it ( which I assume you already are) they are great to drive in manual mode.
garyw
My wife had a 964 Tip and I've had a 993 Tip and 996 (3.4) Tip. I also had a 996 C4S Tip on loan for a month. Nice system, for an auto, and it has been improved with each new generation of 911. I liked it.
But, IMO, a manual is much better. The latest 6-spd gearboxes are superb - slick and smooth, with a light clutch and engines that ooze torque. And, a direct connection through the throttle that you just don't get via a torque convertor.
I'm also not conviced that Tiptronic really learns one's driving style. It still does it's own thing and it will sometimes change up, or fail to change down, when you may not want it to. Also, in manual, it isn't always obvious which gear is engaged, you need to check the indicator .
Yes, some people may be able to make fractionally quicker standing starts, but in real world driving, the manual offers better control with as much or as little involvement as the driver wishes.
DSG should be the way forward, but I understand that Porsche have still not perfected their system.
But, IMO, a manual is much better. The latest 6-spd gearboxes are superb - slick and smooth, with a light clutch and engines that ooze torque. And, a direct connection through the throttle that you just don't get via a torque convertor.
I'm also not conviced that Tiptronic really learns one's driving style. It still does it's own thing and it will sometimes change up, or fail to change down, when you may not want it to. Also, in manual, it isn't always obvious which gear is engaged, you need to check the indicator .
Yes, some people may be able to make fractionally quicker standing starts, but in real world driving, the manual offers better control with as much or as little involvement as the driver wishes.
DSG should be the way forward, but I understand that Porsche have still not perfected their system.
garyw
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I can assure you the tip does learn your driving style for the trip you are making,I'm sure most have noticed how quickly the tip changes up through the gears, which is fine for cruising along, but if you drive the car hard, you find it holding on to the rev limit and keeping in lower gears, just as you would perhaps in a manual excellent for when your having a bit of fun.
Never had an issue with it changing gear mid corner or prior to a corner in that circumstance, the 996 has yaw sensors to stop that from happening.
The only issue with gear patterns I ever had was after a bit of a blast and returning to town work, it would travel along in lower gear hanging around the red line, waiting to pounce [
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Again it shortly changed to normal driving patterns. I spent two years with a tip Turbo and now a year with a manual, yes I get a personal kick from a slick change and an extra feel of control, but I no longer do lots of town driving...
997Turbo tip is quicker than the manual, so what will the excuses be then??
To finish, the turbo tip is upto the job, however a manual is sometimes a little more rewarding on a personal level, more so if the car is for play.. and not commuting
garyw
Never had an issue with it changing gear mid corner or prior to a corner in that circumstance, the 996 has yaw sensors to stop that from happening.
The only issue with gear patterns I ever had was after a bit of a blast and returning to town work, it would travel along in lower gear hanging around the red line, waiting to pounce [
].Again it shortly changed to normal driving patterns. I spent two years with a tip Turbo and now a year with a manual, yes I get a personal kick from a slick change and an extra feel of control, but I no longer do lots of town driving...
997Turbo tip is quicker than the manual, so what will the excuses be then??
To finish, the turbo tip is upto the job, however a manual is sometimes a little more rewarding on a personal level, more so if the car is for play.. and not commuting
garyw
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the latest tip really does learn not just your driving style but your current driving style - if proof is needed just take a turbo tip onto a track; after one lap the pattern of changes is completly different. Having said that, its great fun to drive in manual mode - even in traffic. Even though the manual (up to 996 anyway) is rated as quicker, it woud demand perfect changes everytime; a tip from a standing start in auto with foot to the floor makes every change just at the perfect spot in the curve...
996_STEVO
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Hi Guys
I really need to introduce myself. I have been hanging around the forum with the RS4 username even though I got rid of the bloody car about 15 Months ago. I replaced it with a 2001 996 Turbo Tip and I have to say it's one of the best drives I have ever had. I have a PSI Motorsport Flash (510-520bhp), Fabspeed Exhaust, Techart Nose, Techart Wheels, GT3 Seats and a state of the art sound system (not boyracer may I add, lol) with these minor mods it makes the car very responsive without losing the drivability around town (Edinburgh) What I would say is there isn't much difference between Tip & 6speed unless your on a wide open road and you are one hell of a driver, infact It has been known for the novice driver to go quicker on track with the Tip (just an experience thing!), If you do use the car around town then Tip is most definately the way to go, Oh btw don't be fooled by figures, the Turbo Tip would leave the C4 for dead (hate using that word), yip they are all quick cars but the Turbo is something else, just like the GT2 is something else compared to the Turbo! If you want to look at figures look at 0 to 100 or a 1/4 Mile figure rather than 0 - 60, anyway I will post some picks up over the weekend and properly introduce myself!
Thanks Steven
I really need to introduce myself. I have been hanging around the forum with the RS4 username even though I got rid of the bloody car about 15 Months ago. I replaced it with a 2001 996 Turbo Tip and I have to say it's one of the best drives I have ever had. I have a PSI Motorsport Flash (510-520bhp), Fabspeed Exhaust, Techart Nose, Techart Wheels, GT3 Seats and a state of the art sound system (not boyracer may I add, lol) with these minor mods it makes the car very responsive without losing the drivability around town (Edinburgh) What I would say is there isn't much difference between Tip & 6speed unless your on a wide open road and you are one hell of a driver, infact It has been known for the novice driver to go quicker on track with the Tip (just an experience thing!), If you do use the car around town then Tip is most definately the way to go, Oh btw don't be fooled by figures, the Turbo Tip would leave the C4 for dead (hate using that word), yip they are all quick cars but the Turbo is something else, just like the GT2 is something else compared to the Turbo! If you want to look at figures look at 0 to 100 or a 1/4 Mile figure rather than 0 - 60, anyway I will post some picks up over the weekend and properly introduce myself!
Thanks Steven
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