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E10 fuel - what does this mean for older cars!

AlphaWhisky

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I have received a couple of emails regarding the possibility of E10 biofuel becoming commonplace in the UK. In Germany there were protests against the introduction of this fuel and it's use has been delayed.

While E10 has not yet hit the UK, the interesting side of this is that the majority of 95 RON unleaded fuel in the UK is already E5 (ie. carries 5% biofuel in the mixture).

One of the down sides of increasing the biofuel percentage in petrol is reduced mpg. This will happen regardless of your driving style, since the density of the fuel is lower. Any perceived loss of performance however will depend on how you drive! Unless you have a bottomless pit of cash to spend on petrol and go around with your right foot fully depressed to the floor all of the time, you're unlikely to notice any difference in actual performance.

Currently, the practice for either older/classic/sports/high-performance vehicles running on unleaded fuel is to use a good quality 99 RON petrol instead. Quite what the effects of E10 fuel is likely to have on older engines, as far as wear or degredation to components is concerned, has yet to be established, but when 4* petrol was withdrawn in the UK, various additives were developed and became available (such as Castrol Valve Master) to compensate for the loss of lead in fuels for cars unable to run on unleaded petrol. One would assume something similar will become available to compensate for cars with engines wholly unsuited to E10. Clearly, a whole host of impractical and (very likely) impossible modifications would otherwise be required on the engines concerned.

Short of running your car on Avgas or marine engine fuel (where biofuel of any type is banned entirely), and conducting a comtam check each day before driving, the tide of fuel change will happen at some point in the not too distant future.

I will endeavour to keep up with whatever data or information comes to light and to inform 964 owners of any changes afoot.
 
There's already been a lot of discussion about this on here and other forums, E10 is not suitable for Porsches built before 1996, main problem IIRC is the fuel lines etc being degraded by the ethanol. E5 is OK, as is 99RON super unleaded, but E10 is a no no for our older cars.
 
Prompted by this thread I started looking around and found that the ethanol/petrol subject is very confusing! While you can't believe everything that you find on-line, this website suggests that E10 is not suitable for Porsches before MY2007 (so it's not just us older cars that are affected):

http://www.fcai.com.au/environment/can-my-vehicle-operate-on-ethanol-blend-petrol-

and contrary to Amanda's information above, this website suggests that higher octane fuels are more likely to be boosted by ethanol addition, Tesco99 in particular:

http://www.jawaczownersclub.co.uk/technical_advice13.htm

I've tried to find out if Shell V-power contains ethanol but had no success.
 
Thanks John. Lots of extra stuff there and also confirms what I found out a bit later that Vpower already contains 5%. Let's hope they don't stuff it up to 10%!
 
ORIGINAL: Steve Brookes
I've tried to find out if Shell V-power contains ethanol but had no success.
I've not heard great things about V-Power either. Shell had a lot of problems with it.

I'm really not certain about this E10 as there seems to be a lot of conflicting information. Naturally, the only thing any fuel company will really care about is selling their product and making a fat profit!

Not tried it, but Ethomix might be of interest to those unable to obtain 98 RON petrol. There's a couple of pdf data sheets on the webpage too, giving technical spec.

If it works it might also be a far more economical option to use with unleaded (95 RON). Super unleaded is often prohibitively priced, often well above £1.40 per litre.

Also more info Here
 
ORIGINAL: Steve Brookes

I've tried to find out if Shell V-power contains ethanol but had no success.
According to Shell is does.........see this thread on another forum where someone asked them directly

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=27613

It would appear up to 5% but the exact figure isn't given.


 
I've had to replace the fuel lines on both my '75 Carrera and the '74 2.7 that I had --- to be honest, a fuel leak is not what you want on an old car --- whether 5% ethanol or 10% ethanol ---

Well worth checking both ways [;)]
 
I found this when googling. Ethanol in Petrol - scroll down for Petrol Insights

The old TR link above didnt work for me.

Of note... Unless in the South West where most add ethanol to fuel, Super Plus type fuels are Ethanol free. Total is ethanol free pretty much everywhere. Shell sadly appears to be baddie here... Sadly because my cheapest by far, and most convenient close to home is shell. Harumph.

Glad I saw this... Shall be super plus all the way in future for me.
 
Having checked you car will run on Ethanol fuel this is probably best tip I received on this from an expert was:-

If you are going to leave your car (ie storage parked up for any period of time fill it up to the very top. I mean to top of the neck!
If you run the car once a month don't forget to top it up to the neck again!

Why?


Well apparently the Ethanol(alcohol) fuel evaporates and as it does so condensation caused gets into the fuel. If you only have half a tank the area for evaporation is huge. By filling up to the top of the neck you leave approx the size of an espresso cup for exposure to evaporation!


I know in the States (where the volume of added Ethanol is higher 10% than UK5%) when it evaporates it leaves a fine brown dust on the outside of things and inside a large amount of condensation which is now water or brown gunge!
 
Took my car out today for the first time in 10-12 days. My sole purpose, to fill up with BP Ultimate (97) as it is said to be ethanol free. I timed my run to avoid showers and was wholly successful. For the 32 mile round trip i smiled most of the way. These cars are a joy to drive in a way that very sorted, very quick modern machinery is not. On every journey i fall in love all over again with the car in a 'stockholm syndrome' kind of way; grateful it didnt kill me when the fancy took it :). Its now brim full of good fuel and i am having a stiff drink. I want to head out again!
 

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