EBC Green Stuff Pads.

[Lemon]

Hi All

I used to use these pads on my VW Corrado and they seemed much better at reducing brake dust build up and the corrosion it can cause on your alloys. It was also a lot easier to clean the alloys than with standard brake pads and associated dust that came with them.

My question is has anyone used them on their 944???

Am I better sticking with standard pads or if someone has used these do they feel better???

Cheers

 

[944Turbo]

I use them, the dust is reduced and when I put them in they felt great but I also had gone from very worn to new discs at the same time so I would have been suprised if they hadn't felt better.
They do not have anti squeal shims so if they get very dusty (e.g. after a trackday) they do get squealy, usually a good hoseing sorts them out.

Originally I had greens on the front, standard on the rear and the rears got more dusty than the fronts I now have them all round. I wouldn't go back to the standard pads.
Incidently i got them from my local Motorists discount centre they were around £90 for a set of front and rear.

Tony

 

[John Sims]

they seemed much better at reducing brake dust build up and the corrosion it can cause on your alloys. It was also a lot easier to clean the alloys than with standard brake pads and associated dust that came with them.

I had them on my Freelander and agree on the reduction in dust. If anything they seemed to produce a grey dust rather than black. I'm back on standard pads now with the associated black dust that goes with them.

Reading the adverts etc I'm never quite sure if reds would be better for track use?

 

[944Turbo]

I think on cars that are under braked reds are the way to go on ours I think Greens are fine I have managed to blue and surface crack the centres of my discs with Greens (hot day and without the extra ducts I now run) so unless reds are better at dissipating heat as well as generating it, I think greens are ok.
I assume Reds produce as much (black) dust as any other material.
Tony

 

[Lemon]

Hi Tony

And thanks for the info.

Will the anti squeal shims from the original pads fit the EBC pads??

Just a thought

Cheers

 

[937carrera]

A word of caution [:-]

I tried EBC green stuff in my 2.7RS a few years ago when I was running that in the Classic championship. This was following a recommendation from a trusted supplier and offer of a free evaluation.

I didn't find them as good as the material I used at the time and the supplier gave me a contact in EBC technical. I spoke to the technical rep and he was very concernmed that I had used green on a race car on circuit. At the time no other colours were available so I went back to my usual product. In summary green was OK for track use in light cars (Caterhams), or road use for a normal car. He wasn't entirely comfortable with anyone using green on a road going 911.

I'm sure the same would apply to a 944, it being both heavier, and in many cases faster.

 

[Fen]

I used them on my Turbo - I don't think they're any better or worse than standard pads for efficiency. I got the car back from an OPC service one time with the comment that the discs were blue, like Tony after using them on the road.

They definitely produce less dust that is a lighter colour and easy to clean. I won't be keeping them when it goes back on the road / track though - I think I'll go for the anthracite wheels option instead. Someone also said once that they are thinner when new than standard pads so they presumably don't last as long - then again less dust might be due to less wear.

 

[944Turbo]

Thanks for the info,
before trying them I was warned by somoene that they would probably break up with track use as they had when they tried them.
However they are on at least version 4 by now and I haven't had any problems, so maybe earlier compound mixes had issues.
They do still say for saloon cars and heavy vehicles use red for track use, but then the turbo brakes are 928s4 which I imagine is much heavier so there should be some spare capacity. the S2 brakes are not much smaller and the S2 is a bit lighter and a little slower.
If I was racing I would change pads but for trackdays (and road) where its not neccesary to grab the last few metres being the last of the late brakers I have found them fine.
Tony

 

[John Sims]

Herewith extract from the racers bible - where would we be without the Demon Tweeks catalogue?


Green 44/78
Fast road, Track use on formula Honda/600 and Caterham, Sprints & Hillclimbs
Bite cold = .46
Min friction 120mph to 0 = .25

Red Ceramic 388
Stock Hatches with treaded tyres. Good fast road and trackday use pad
Bite cold = .36
Min friction 120mph to 0 = .21

Yellow 1605
Race & Rally. Use on cars with slicks. Longer lasting trackday pad
Bite cold = .43
Min friction 120mph to 0 = .26

Yellow 1626
As above but slightly longer wear life
Bite cold = .41
Min friction 120mph to 0 = .22

Blue 366
Endurance Racing
Bite cold = .37
Min friction 120mph to 0 = .24

NB: Only green & red are E marked and approved for highway use, so you might invalidate your insurance if you use the others.

So what do the numbers mean then chaps?

 

[John Sims]

So what do the numbers mean then chaps?

Ok reading further, and with reference to "Endless" competition pads they sugest:-

Friction average of .35 to .40 is suitable for tarmac and gravel stages, for cars without servo assisted braking and standard tarmac calipers as it is a high frictional coefficient.

From this I assume the bigger the number the better the stopping power.

 

[944Turbo]

Thinking back I am not sure they even do reds in our size,

Tony

 

[John Sims]

I am not sure they even do reds in our size

Based on the figures above, I can't see the advantage in Reds, assuming greens hold up of course.

Greens seem to give a better 120-0 figure which is where heat is going to be an issue.

Endless pads have a very high figure, as noted above, but (assuming they come in our sizes) they are between £200 & £800+ per axel set. They damn well should be good for that money.

 

[danmason]

I've been using Mintex M1144s for around 6 months, on standard discs, and the improvement over the stock pads is unbelievable; serious amounts of stopping power at high speed. I'm never going back! [8D]

 

[937carrera]

ORIGINAL: danmason

I've been using Mintex M1144s for around 6 months, on standard discs, and the improvement over the stock pads is unbelievable; serious amounts of stopping power at high speed. I'm never going back! [8D]

You are indeed a wise man [8|]

 

[John Sims]

You are indeed a wise man

Apparently there isn't a smiley for tapping the side of the nose, but I guess we will all be on M1144's next change then?

 

[eastendr]

I used 1144 with AP racing 4 pots & discs in my RS500. Slight squeal problem sometimes when they were cold, but otherwise EXCELLENT !!

Anyone going to see if they're available for 944T and big red calipers [][]

Just think, if you had a 924, you could use VG95 shoes as well [][][]

 

[Diver944]

Lee,

I used a few sets over a few years on my S2 and found them to be great. Just the same feel as the standard pads but less dust. I tried a set on my Turbo after I got it and they did break up on track and scored the disks, so I vowed not to use them again.

However, in hindsight my disks were pretty worn in the first place and I know that Tony has used Greens quite happily on track in his 322bhp car on slicks so I am starting to think that the current spec Greens will be fine.

The Reds do not promise less dusting.

 

[Lemon]

Thanks very much Paul.

I think I will give some a go.

I have new discs so should work great.

Cheers for all your advice

Lee

 

[edh]

I've used EBC red ceramic in my 924S - they have stood up to hard use on 2 trackdays so far - less dusty than Mintex.

the new red ceramic is E marked, & is fine for road - I don't know if this compound is available for the turbo calipers. Was around £140 for front & rear

I couldn't get Mintex for my calipers, but 1155 is an excellent compound, just very dusty. Bedding in with Mintex is very quick - just a few heat cycles - EBC want you to do several hundred miles.

I'm not sure if any of these would survive with slicks though - Ferodo DS3000 might be an option?