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I think my carrera 2 1987 needs a rebuild where is the best place to have it done and should i have the whole thing done or just the top end the plug keeps going black then it runs only on 5 cylinders when i pull out the plug its wet but i dont know if this is fuel or oil

how much and what is done with a top end and how much and what is done in a bottom end

 
If your 911 is an 1987 model it will be a 3.2 Carrera (the Carrera 2 was introduced in 1989 in the 964 model). As to where to take it, where do you live?.

If I was you I'd take your car into a recognised 3.2 specialist and get them to give you their opinion (you can always get a second opinion from another specialist if you're still unsure).

In the South East you've got plenty, I'm in North London and I've used Jaz and J Z Machtech for my 3.2's!



 
im from the westmidlands had jzmac in mind how much did the charge for a rebuild and has it been a good reliable rebuild
 
You can't get much better than Chris Best at 'Two plus Two' in Stourbridge. Not the cheapest but one of the most meticulous you'll find.
 
I had my top end rebuilt at JZ - very happy with the quality of the work but the job ended up being very pricey because I had to have the cylinders and pistons replaced. This was a major source of frustration for me because they didn't offer me any alternatives when they did the work e.g. 3.4 cylinders, just the standard parts.

Spending the money that I did I would've prefered gaining something more out of it, i.e. more horsepower!
 
I think you want to use someone with a good reputation but also someone who will have a good dialogue with you once they open it up and see what is wrong. You really can't tell what needs replacing until you get inside. I would guess that Tuthill is worth a try if he is close by. He has built all sorts of interesting engines and knows how to get hp - if you are interested in gaining hp while you are rebuilding. JAZ did a great job for me. JZM are a good shop but tend to go by the book unless you clarify up front what you are looking for. Neil Bainbridge's shop is to a large extent a race shop but he is also massively experienced wit modified engines. I have no experience with the others.

I would never rebuild an engine to std specs given there are so many options to gain power for very little extra money. If you are doing a top-end only then can look at 964 cams or for a little more money build the valve train up to run 993SS cams and run at higher revs. This is really only costing you cams, valve springs and retainers (which you may decide to replace anyway) on top of the other headwork and rod bolts, perhaps. If you need P & Cs then you have much more choice. 9Ms 98mm pistons look fantastic and should allow you to go 3.4 on single plug given the shape of the piston, otherwise JE pistons in bored and replated cylinders are the most cost effective option. You can then choose any cam but you start to get into race engine territory.

If I had to do a full rebuild for a road car it would be 3.4 with 964 cams, with rod bolts and "heavy duty" rather than race valve train. This would give a safe 7,000rpm 265+hp engine with heaps of torque and a nice zippy top end. I would probably keep it on the std exhaust with a free flow muffler and SW custom chip. Any more "built" than that and you start to be restricted by the intake runners and exhaust and hence have to spend a lot more cash. You can make probably 265+hp from a 3.2 with 993SS cams and SSIs with custom chip but that's a very different engine - cammy, higher rpm peak power, poor idle, noisy.

Let us know what you plan to do.

Richard
 
I know a really good chap in Leicester. Leicester might be too far for you but his rates are reasonable and he is a no bullshit guy who knows all there is to know about older 911s. He built the engine in my 2.4E. Let me know if you are interested and I'll give you his number.
 
cheers lads you have been very helpful i will consider the options of increasing hp depending on cost i have just bought the vehicle not knowing this was going to happen
Ian can you pm or email me his number do you have a number i can get you on
my email is ftstock@aol.com
 
Woa up horsey it might not be engine related...
Whats the oil consumption like?
Take the plug out and leave it somewhere warm. If it's wet with fuel it'll evaporate, if its oil it'll stay wet.
Does it run ok with a new plug?
Any smoke from exhaust?
Could just be a lead breaking up, are they new?
Or a leaky/stuck injector.. etc etc
 
smokes on start up if i change the plug it seems to be ok but then problem returns after 30 odd miles smokes only on start up saying that when i take the oil filler cap off gases are coming out from here leads are origional its going in for a leakdown test and i shall take it from there
 
"leads are origional" - as in best part of twenty years old then...I'd start there, but it's your money.

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He is Chris Sargent of GCR Central (aka GC Racing). Telephone number is 0116 283 2211. Top class not just for rebuilds but for maintainence and fault finding. Specialises in older Porsches (Pre-impact, SC, 3.2s etc). He'll be more than happy to chat to you about your problem and what the best way forward is.

Ian.

 
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