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V55DJC

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I am thinking of travelling through Europe via France , Belguim, Luembourg, Switzerland through
the tunnel into Italy later in the year in my 3.4 987

Has anyone done this and apart from an international lisence, I believe an emmisions sticker and
permit to drive through certain countries are a must - what else ??

Would love to hear from anyone with the important info


Croftoe
 
I've driven through the countries you mention quite a few times. There are certain requirements for France - best to get these from a website such as AA. You only need the emissions sticker in certain cities (for example Paris). You need hi viz vests for each person, warning triangle and first aid kit. As I said, best to check a reliable website. To use the motorways in Switzerland and Austria you need to buy a vignette for each country. The Swiss one costs about 40 francs and is valid for a year. In Italy, if you're driving in town, watch out for ZTLs, basically pedestrianised streets where they have cameras that log your number and they do send you a fine! Speed cameras on the continent are not helpfully painted yellow like ours so mind how you go.

good luck!

Chris


 
Had you planned a specific route? I was thinking of doing something similar but wanted to take in Monaco on the way there or back. What about stopping points - any suggestions.

Hope this isnt classed as hijacking the thread - hoping it is seen to be more of an add on.
 
We have just returned from a 4 week trip round Italy and France in my 1973 911S and agree that you should obtain an Umweltzone sticker for your car if travelling in Germany. you will need a vignette for Switzerland (for 1 year)and a cheaper one for Austria (for one week minimum or longer). You also need Hi Vis vests for all passengers if you breakdown, as well as a warning triangle and France requires you to have at least one Breathalyser tube in the car at all times. The French would like you to have a First aid kit, a fire extinguisher, a set of spare bulbs? and a torch.
Just to let you know the price of Super patrol in Italy ranges from 1.61 to 1.71 Euro per litre, I know this because I bought a lot of 95 Octane which is cheaper at 1.499 Euro/Litre.
Another thing about Italy if you have never driven there before, their roads are worse than ours with huge potholes in almost all back roads and some dodgy sections on their usually good Autostrada. There are to me, weird speed limits around ranging from 130Kph on the motorways sometimes 110 Kph, wheras the lesser roads are normally 90kph or 50kph and there are even some at 30, 20, and 10kph which only the tourists obey. The rest of Italian drivers seem oblivious to any speed limits particularly Motorini (Scooters) of which there are millions. If you stop in a town at a red light you will immediatly be surrounded by a mob of scooters which will impede your setting off when the lights change and you may still be there when they change to red again.
One word of advice, in Italy, drive like an Italian! and stay cool, it can be very hot.
Good Luck, Please tell us about it when you return. Robin.
 
I drove through France, Switzerland, Italy and Spain last summer and I'd agree with the great advice from Robin and Chris above on all the paraphernalia you're expected to take with you. You'll also need to make sure that in France, your satnav only shows "Danger Zones", not actual camera locations. Speed cameras in France and Italy tend to be painted grey and often hidden immediately behind a bridge abutment or at the bottom of a long hill, so you need to be careful. Not that any of the locals seem to stick to the speed limits, especially in Italy, where I found the speed limits at road works in particular to be completely disregarded. Driving in Italy can be particularly stressful in cities and I made sure that I planned every journey meticulously so that I could concentrate on actual driving. I would NOT choose to park on street in Italy, as non-contact parking is an art that many mainland Europeans don't seem to have mastered! Hopefully you will also have a passenger to pay those pesky Autoroute / Autostrada tolls. You can get electronic tags for the car, but when you're travelling through so many countries, I thought it was more trouble than it was worth.

Having said that, crossing the Alps in a 3.4L Porsche is something special and I won't be forgetting it in a hurry. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
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The other responses cover just about everything. I have a couple of extra suggestions which I found useful on trips to Le Mans. If your 987 has xenon headlamps there is a quick adjustment to realign them for driving on the right hand side of the road. The Europeans are keen for you to do this...
PC Silverstone did mine because I am useless at that sort of thing but it is probably a simple DIY job for the majority.
You can buy a toll token for France (might also work elsewhere) which is a great help particularly if you are solo in the car. The company is called Sanef.
Finally, don't go crazy on the Autoroute. The French Police will impose eye watering speeding fines and could impound the car if they are having a bad day.
Having said that, I love driving in Europe. The roads are much quieter than in the UK.
Enjoy
Graham
 
One thing I found in France , was that when you see a warning sign for a speed camera , they are usually placed fairly close after the sign, not like here where it's rare to find a camera after the sign.
The cameras are not on posts, but are on the ground, grey with yellow and black tape on the edges, and about 4 foot high by about 2 foot square. There are no road markings on the actual road, so you do need to keep a keen look out for them.
Good luck .
sws
 
Over recent years the French have had a government programme to remove speed camera warning signs, but earlier this year announced a programme to replace signs with a new design which also show the speed limit. So watch out for the grey boxes - whether you see an old warning sign, no sign at all or a new sign all seems rather random.
 
987v55por said:
Switzerland through the tunnel into Italy later in the year in my 3.4 987


Some great advice above, my tip having just got back from 2500 miles taking in France, Monaco, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium etc. Is don't do the big tunnels, take the passes over the top instead, this year did the furka pass instead of the st gothard tunnel and it was epic!!
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned already but don't forget two breathalyzers for France (they need to be French approved).
 
DrSimon said:
Sorry if this has been mentioned already but don't forget two breathalyzers for France (they need to be French approved).


Per the AA

"In July 2012 the French announced that drivers must carry a breathalyser or, from November 2012, be fined €11. You still have to carry the breathalyser but the fine has been postponed twice and was shelved in January 2013. The breathalyser must be unused and show the French certification mark NF. It has to be in date too. Single-use breathalysers normally only last 12 months so check yours if you bought it for a trip last year and didn’t use it."

https://www.theaa.com/european-breakdown-cover/driving-in-europe/driving-in-france

Nutty or what?
 
As camera detectors and the like are illegal in most other European countries get the CamSam Plus app on your phone. It can sit there in the background, in your top pocket and is very good at letting you know of upcoming speed traps. [:)]
 
tscaptain said:
As camera detectors and the like are illegal in most other European countries get the CamSam Plus app on your phone. It can sit there in the background, in your top pocket and is very good at letting you know of upcoming speed traps. [:)]
Do they do an iPhone version for the UK market yet? Can only see Android.
 
tscaptain said:
As camera detectors and the like are illegal in most other European countries get the CamSam Plus app on your phone. It can sit there in the background, in your top pocket and is very good at letting you know of upcoming speed traps. [:)]
Or use (Google's) Waze app which has user reported real time traffic updates as well as police activity ahead and fixed camera sites
 
We took a somewhat circuitous route to Montepulciano and back last May, just over 4000 miles. There is no nicer feeling than driving out of Calais and knowing you can go anywhere you want.

Some random things we include in our plans:
- HGV's appear to be banned from Motorways at weekends in Germany, France and Austria, probably more. The northern loop through Belgium and Germany on a Sunday is a great way to make progress.
- the cost of tolls to south of France is roughly the same as an extra night's accommodation. If you have time, press 'avoid tolls' on the satnav and enjoy fantastic countryside and lightly trafficked roads.
- we schedule frequent breaks which separate long distances into manageable chunks ( good for driver passenger relations). We look for towns just off the motorway, especially with a river etc. and we often get lucky with a nice place for a walk, coffee / lunch and cheaper fuel. It can be done easily in an hour and you see some lovely places.
- we did not need any stickers other than vignettes for Austria, Hungary, Slovenia and Switzerland. Usually they are available at the border, or the nearest service stations. Most checks are also at the border but in Austria they do have random checkpoints on the motorway.
- Luxemburg is the place for cheap fuel, but don't blink or you will miss it. Lovely city as well
- all the kit mentioned in this thread is good to have, but the key items are the high viz vests and warning triangle which you need if you have to stop. Most of the other stuff is likely to be checked only if you are 'in discussion' over something else.
- if you are stopped for any reason it is useful to have scanned copies of passport, registration, insurance, driving licence etc. in a file that is easily accessible, e.g. Under the floor mat. Quick production can make other problems go away. We each have a memory stick with all docs on it which makes life a lot easier if you are unlucky to experience loss or theft.
- watch the flow of traffic and you will keep out of trouble. There is usually a reason for a queue of cars all doing 120 in the near side lane.

i could go on...but do use a map and look for wiggly lumpy bits of country and you find fantastic driving routes and good roads. South Austria and Slovenia are our recent finds. In well known areas such as Alps, pressing 'avoid tolls' and 'find alternative route' are great ways of seeing scenery and avoiding the worst traffic.

As for driving stereotypes, there is a lot of truth in many of them. They really do drive in the wrong side of the road. Euro trips can still be great fun adventures. We should enjoy them while we can.

Have a great trip -

 
Thank you for the kind coments to each and all for your valid comments on European driving

I've taken everything on board

Croftoe
 
Thanks for the tips - going on the Porsche GB factory visit in September/October in my 2016 981S and so getting there on a circular route via France, Switzerland and Austria so just doing my planning now. Found some good road suggestions on ultimatedrives.net and Porsche GT3 site.
Any comments welcomed on a couple of things I am considering for my car:
- SS sill guards
- Dash Cam preferably with wiring being concealed
 
I did not take anything and just been away. I had a high-vis in the car as I had one to hand that's it.

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Speaking to my insurers (NFU) yesterday they said that the Green Card takes a few days to issue, so remember to let them know early rather than last minute where you are travelling and dates.
 

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