EVO 997.2 Turbo vs R8 V10 vs GT-R
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After long and careful consideration, I'm making the switch from 997GT3 (fabulous car[8D]) to the new 997 Turbo (hopefully fabulous car[&:]).
To be honest, I've never much cared for the Turbos, and never understood all this compulsive fascination for power and accelaration times. But, I have a need for the rear seats and the new spec, improved chassis and more rewarding driving characteristics have turned my head. Launch control, 197mph, 0-60 in 3 secs - I find irrelevant.
Bit worried that the Turbo will disappoint after the GT3, but looking forward to the experience.
To be honest, I've never much cared for the Turbos, and never understood all this compulsive fascination for power and accelaration times. But, I have a need for the rear seats and the new spec, improved chassis and more rewarding driving characteristics have turned my head. Launch control, 197mph, 0-60 in 3 secs - I find irrelevant.
Bit worried that the Turbo will disappoint after the GT3, but looking forward to the experience.
Although I don't qualify as a "quick boy" ([
]) I suspect it's the horses for courses argument. Both would be nice, money permitting, but realistically it comes down to purpose, for me. I could be wrong not having had the pleasure of driving the RS but I think it may not, for example, allow me to drive the length of the country in a day and get out feeling fresh as a daisy. I certainly enjoy the odd track day but it makes up a small proportion of the car's miles per year (and I have another toy to do that stuff in!)There is also the small matter of actually getting hold of one........ For driving pleasure in it's purest form I'm sure the RS wins but for all round ability and function the turbo ticks more boxes - for me again.[8D]
Mark - I keep ticking the days off but then look out the window and think it's better than having it sat in the garage going nowhere. Bad luck on you though[
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I've read the manuals from cover to cover, even the one: "Porsche: a sustainable future". I've flatenned the battery, twice, playing with the PCM 3, and I've even removed one of the RS Spyder wheels with my new monster torque wrench bought specially for the job - 500 Nm. They give you the socket to fit over the centre bolt but nothing to undo it with.
All I need now is some decent weather to go driving...
All I need now is some decent weather to go driving...
garyw
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I was that disappointed with the EVO write up, almost enough to write in and complain...[]
The numbers/data for the 3 cars were all in different weather conditions, dry, damp and wet!! so how can it even start to be a comparison??
Sure the numbers looked good, but the braking distance of the Turbo to the GTR was massive... but it would be in the blinkin wet!!!!
Yes, I liked it [][]
garyw
]The numbers/data for the 3 cars were all in different weather conditions, dry, damp and wet!! so how can it even start to be a comparison??
Sure the numbers looked good, but the braking distance of the Turbo to the GTR was massive... but it would be in the blinkin wet!!!!
Yes, I liked it [
][]garyw
ORIGINAL: garyw
I was that disappointed with the EVO write up, almost enough to write in and complain...[
I'd agree, and found it quite contradictory.
But I take many of these tests and comparisons with a pinch of salt. A lot of the opinions are subjective, there are very few truly incisive road test journalists (Chris Harris being one) and many of the performance statistics, such as lap times, are subject to variables and the relative skill of the driver. Certainly not worth taking too seriously.
Performance figures, wet/dry/damp conditions aside I would normally say that what the car looks like is secondary to it's driving attributes. However, looking at the photos in EVO I would have to draw the line somewhere[] I have the greatest respect for Nissan's technical brilliance and the car's abilities but even if it was half the price again I still could bear to look at it on my drive. No, not badge snobbery, it's plain fugly (IMHO). Sorry.
Got a spec lined up then Mike?[8D]
] I have the greatest respect for Nissan's technical brilliance and the car's abilities but even if it was half the price again I still could bear to look at it on my drive. No, not badge snobbery, it's plain fugly (IMHO). Sorry.Got a spec lined up then Mike?[8D]
john crannis
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Are you new turbo owners ticking the PDK option or going for the manual gear box, as I feel most of the fun has been lost with PDK. The alternative is changing cogs with the gear lever where you are able to change gear at the revs and time one feels comfortable with. The fun factor may well have returned with the paddles option, will be finding that out as and when weather improves!
John
The new Turbo has been developed around PDK, and Porsche are anticipating that some 85% of deliveries will have PDK.
Assuming this is reflected in the used market, then manuals could be quite difficult to re-sale.
Best to keep an older Porsche - nice 3.2 Carrera, Boxster - or something like a Caterham/Elise for more basic fun on road or track and cog-swapping practice.
Assuming this is reflected in the used market, then manuals could be quite difficult to re-sale.
Best to keep an older Porsche - nice 3.2 Carrera, Boxster - or something like a Caterham/Elise for more basic fun on road or track and cog-swapping practice.
Mine will be PDK as having had the C2S for over a year with it I know how good it is. If you use the rev counter to change gear then there is no difference between a PDK (using padddles or buttons) and manual except the PDK does it quicker. As Mark says there is the benefit of "auto" if you want it for an assortment of reasons. Also if you do a lot of long distance cruising on motorways there is the additional benefit of the 7th gear. The combination of the turbo engine with the PDK is quite special and quite honestly if playing around with a gearstick was an issue then I wouldn't buy the turbo in the first place. And as Graham says a Gen 1 Turbo would have to be manual! As I read the other day in GTPorsche mag, I think, the tiptronic "acknowledged your request to change gears, relayed the message to a committee and then handed you the ratio after the corner had passed! But, as I've said before, I do have the raw driving experience in the kit car to satisfy all of those driving needs (no abs, no traction, no servo, no nutthin!)[
]ORIGINAL: marlin
Nope, because there will be less of them [
Mine's a manual (997.2 turbo) awaiting collection. Wasn't too bothered about it being PDK or not. If the model is later standard with PDK and the manual's a no cost optiuon choice would've been PDK then.
Main car is a V10 RS6 Avant with DSG and that's ok but wanted the Porsche to be different.
Greg
ORIGINAL: Z80
ORIGINAL: marlin
Nope, because there will be less of them [
Mine's a manual (997.2 turbo) awaiting collection. Wasn't too bothered about it being PDK or not. If the model is later standard with PDK and the manual's a no cost optiuon choice would've been PDK then.
Main car is a V10 RS6 Avant with DSG and that's ok but wanted the Porsche to be different.
Greg
How did you manage that?? RS6's don't come with a dual-clutch option (aka DSG), only a single clutch Tiptronic
ORIGINAL: Alex L
ORIGINAL: Z80
ORIGINAL: marlin
Nope, because there will be less of them [
Mine's a manual (997.2 turbo) awaiting collection. Wasn't too bothered about it being PDK or not. If the model is later standard with PDK and the manual's a no cost optiuon choice would've been PDK then.
Main car is a V10 RS6 Avant with DSG and that's ok but wanted the Porsche to be different.
Greg
How did you manage that?? RS6's don't come with a dual-clutch option (aka DSG), only a single clutch Tiptronic
Alex, you're right, I'm not. I meant tiptronic not DSG. Getting muddled.
Noted your engine upgrade on your 911 turbo. Wondered if you've thought about anything for the RS6 yet. Anyway, guess this is off topic.
Greg
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