F1 Rubbish

[Waylander]

will someone please explain to me how it can be the best part of 6 seconds quicker to go through the pits and have a tyre change under the virtual safety car while the other cars are circulating at a constant speed?

that cannot be right nor should that be continued to be allowed, or every VS car there will be huge dash for the pits to stop you losing position or the race, in some cases

 

[GPF]

will someone please explain to me how it can be the best part of 6 seconds quicker to go through the pits and have a tyre change under the virtual safety car while the other cars are circulating at a constant speed?

that cannot be right nor should that be continued to be allowed, or every VS car there will be huge dash for the pits to stop you losing position or the race, in some cases

It's not quicker. Vettel was about 12 seconds in front of Lewis when he pitted, and he was still just in front when he came back out - so it was probably about 11 seconds slower to go through the pits and change tyres.

It's just that at full speed, Lewis would have blasted past. At VSC speed he couldn't make up as much distance/time.

I do agree though, its not right and shouldn't be allowed to happen.

 

[jdpef356]

I have to agree. However

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[924Srr27l]

will someone please explain to me how it can be the best part of 6 seconds quicker to go through the pits and have a tyre change under the virtual safety car while the other cars are circulating at a constant speed?

that cannot be right nor should that be continued to be allowed, or every VS car there will be huge dash for the pits to stop you losing position or the race, in some cases

It's not quicker. Vettel was about 12 seconds in front of Lewis when he pitted, and he was still just in front when he came back out - so it was probably about 11 seconds slower to go through the pits and change tyres.
It's just that at full speed, Lewis would have blasted past. At VSC speed he couldn't make up as much distance/time.
I do agree though, its not right and shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Vettel was never 12 seconds ahead of Lewis before he pitted or would he of been 12 in front after a regular pitstop.
After lewis pitted he was lapping quicker than Vettel and making the gap bigger.

But the swap occurred because of the pit entry and exit (Up to the marked lines) was and is currently not under the same speed limit as the cars circulating under the VSC set speed delta which is designed to keep the gaps the same between all cars.

Vettel and Ferrari gained time racing in and out the pit lane at much faster speed than all the car's were circulating at, which is why even when Lewis saw Vettel coming out the pits he could not accelerate any faster to beat him into turn 1 because his speed was restricted by the VSC and Vettel's Pit exit wasn't..

It a situation which has not come up and been realised before but I'm sure the rules will now be changed to stop any further situations gaining a distinct advantage. EG any car could accelerate out of the VSC limits into the Pit lane (not stopping) and then go faster out the pit lane and rejoin gaining a time and position advantage as all the other cars circulate much slower on circuit!

R

 

[Peter_Bull]

"EG any car could accelerate out of the VSC limits into the Pit lane (not stopping) and then go faster out the pit lane and rejoin gaining a time and position advantage as all the other cars circulate much slower on circuit!"

You make a good point there Roger - I wonder if we will see that at the next race before they close the loop!

 

[tscaptain]

Logic (I know, an odd concept where F1 is concerned) would suggest that any time a safety car, virtual or real, is deployed then there should be no advantage or disadvantage throughout that period. Perhaps they should prohibit use of the pit lane during such periods? On the other hand they could stick with the some you win, some you lose mentality....
Either way I expect Haas will be getting a few free engines from Italy.....

 

[GPF]

will someone please explain to me how it can be the best part of 6 seconds quicker to go through the pits and have a tyre change under the virtual safety car while the other cars are circulating at a constant speed?

that cannot be right nor should that be continued to be allowed, or every VS car there will be huge dash for the pits to stop you losing position or the race, in some cases

It's not quicker. Vettel was about 12 seconds in front of Lewis when he pitted, and he was still just in front when he came back out - so it was probably about 11 seconds slower to go through the pits and change tyres.
It's just that at full speed, Lewis would have blasted past. At VSC speed he couldn't make up as much distance/time.
I do agree though, its not right and shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Vettel was never 12 seconds ahead of Lewis before he pitted or would he of been 12 in front after a regular pitstop.
After lewis pitted he was lapping quicker than Vettel and making the gap bigger.


R

Sorry Roger, but he was at least 12 seconds in front.

 

[richardjjs1]

Yes i agree should be addressed very soon

 

[jasonp]

I really have not the foggiest idea to how F1 works,,,,
Totally clueless,,they may as well be talking Chinese,,,,

 

[924Srr27l]

Vettel was never 12 seconds ahead of Lewis before he pitted or would he of been 12 in front after a regular pitstop.
After lewis pitted he was lapping quicker than Vettel and making the gap bigger.
R

Sorry Roger, but he was at least 12 seconds in front.

Yes I can see that doesn't read as I intended!

Vettel was ONLY 12 seconds in front of Lewis (Who had stopped) before he took his own Pitstop

Had the VSC not of appeared Vettel would of come out the pits some 11 seconds or so behind Lewis
as a Stop takes around 23 seconds

But because Lewis and every other car were circulating at a much slower (Non Racing speed) with No overtaking
These losses in combination with Vettel going faster (than all the circulating car's) in the Pit lane Entry and Exit
gave him the lead of the race!

Even though Vettel was only 12 seconds up the road when he pitted, and that his stop took approx 23+ seconds in total to complete (Inc entry and exit) Lewis was driving so much slower (under the VSC delta) he lost over 12 seconds from the normal Racing Speed and hence the lead of the Race.

It'll not happen again I'm sure

R

 

[Waylander]

I don't think it will, from what i have read it has been happening in GP2 for the two years and not addressed

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Vettel has an intelligent knowledge of the rules, and instinctive reactions to situations.

Hamilton complains that his team mis-read the situation.

Who's the better racer?

 

[PSH]

Vettel has an intelligent knowledge of the rules, and instinctive reactions to situations.

Hamilton complains that his team mis-read the situation.

Who's the better racer?

Hamilton...hands down.....you can't blame Hamilton...you could blame the team but not the driver...Hamilton will go on to be the best F1 driver of all time..of this I have no doubt

 

[andywill]

There will always be winners and losers under the VSC.
Hamilton benefited from it to win at last year’s Spanish GP.

 

[blade7]

Vettel has an intelligent knowledge of the rules, and instinctive reactions to situations.

Lol, Vettel is a spoilt puppet, the only time he thinks for himself is when he disobeys team orders. The decision to pit under a VSC was made long before the race.

 

[944Turbo]

When it happened I did wonder what would happen if Lewis had put his foot down, then gone extra slow when in front ( no overtaking under SC) so the sector time was the same. I also wondered why they didn't just have double waved yellows on the sector but probably because of Jules B.
Tony

 

[blade7]

When it happened I did wonder what would happen if Lewis had put his foot down, then gone extra slow when in front ( no overtaking under SC) so the sector time was the same.
Tony

Because Ferrari.

 

[Waylander]

I also wondered why they didn't just have double waved yellows on the sector but probably because of Jules B.
Tony

Those stupid halo devices are because of Jules B, and the FIA and the teams admit that they still would not have saved his life. going under a 8 tonne machine at about 70MPH is never going to come out well, now you will also get a face full of razor sharp carbon fibre just to add to the misery.


they are pointless and ugly, restrict the drivers view (but not of VSC boards) the F1 rule makers have lost the plot, its always knee jerk reactions to nasty incidents, why they did not go for closed cockpits when Massa got a spring in the mush is a mystery..

on the whole since Senna and Ratzenburgers Deaths the sport has been hamstrung with stupid rules, tracks ruined (Barcelona, Hockenheim) to name just two

to get F1 interesting again they need to junk all these multi element wings that are so badly affected by "Dirty Air" and go back to simple one or two element devices and mechanical grip, so the cars can get near each other, just like indy car

 

[John Sims]

Senna may well have survived if there had been Halo back then.

I do agree that something needs to happen regarding aero. To some extent you might think teams would compromise outright aero advantage to allow effective results when following and trying to overtake. I guess the main issue then is you would never catch the car in front so being able to work in dirty air would be irrelevant.

Still, I won't be worried soon once it all goes to Sky.

 

[PSH]

Still, I won't be worried soon once it all goes to Sky.

get yourself an Amazon firestick and install 'Kodi' John.... then you can watch anything that you want... if anyone asked i didn't tell you though....

Pete