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More info published over on Rennteam, but a flavour for you.. (changes in bold)
Press Embargo C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio 06.06.2008,C4 (S) Coupé / Cabrio 25.06.2008,Targa 4 (S) 28.07.2008
Start of Production C2 (S) LHD / RHD 21.04.2008, C4 (S) / Targa 4 (S) LHD / RHD 05.05.2008, C2 (S) / C4 (S) / Targa 4 (S) USA KW 23/2008
Market Launch C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio EU, LHD / RHD 05.07.2008, C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio USA / Canada, 20.09.2008, RoW LHD/RHD, C4 (S) Coupé / Cabrio, Targa 4 (S) Worldwide 25.10.2008
Models Available
"¢ 911 Carrera Coupé / Cabriolet​
"¢ 911 Carrera S Coupé / Cabriolet​
"¢ 911 Carrera 4 Coupé / Cabriolet​
"¢ 911 Carrera 4S Coupé / Cabriolet​
"¢ 911 Targa 4​
"¢ 911 Targa 4S
"¢​
New engine generation with direct fuel injection (DFI):
- 3.6-l boxer engine with​
345 hp (+20 hp), 390 Nm (+20 Nm)
- 3.8-l boxer engine with​
385 hp (+30 hp), 420 Nm (+20 Nm)
Increased performance​
with significant reduction in fuel consumption and
CO​
2 emissions
; all engines comply with stringent EU5 regulations (see Appendix 2)
"¢​
Optimised manual gearbox, upshift indicator in instrument cluster for economical
driving​
(standard for manual gearbox)
"¢ Self-adjusting clutch​
now also on 3.6-l models
"¢​
Drive-off assist (standard for manual gearbox and PDK)
"¢​
Porsche Traction Management (PTM, standard for C4 / Targa 4 models)
"¢​
Mechanical limited-slip rear differential (standard for C4 / Targa 4 models)
"¢​
Enhanced Porsche Stability Management (PSM) now also with additional functions
for C2 models​
"¢​
New braking system for 3.6-l models: closed-top calipers, brake disc diameters:
330 mm​
front (+12 mm), 330 mm rear (+31 mm), thicker brake discs at rear
(+4 mm)​
"¢ Standard wheels with new design:​
18-inch Carrera IV wheel, 19-inch Carrera S II
wheel​
"¢​
Larger wheel width and offset at rear for 18-inch Carrera IV wheels on C2 models
(​
10.5J x 18 ET 60)
"¢ Bi-Xenon​
headlights with cleaning system now also standard on 3.6-l models
"¢ LED daytime running lights and side lights​
, conventional foglights discontinued
"¢ LED taillights with new design​
"¢ New Porsche Communication Management (PCM):​
Central multimedia system including:​
-​
6.5-inch TFT colour display (touchscreen)
- Radio with RDS twin tuner and scan/phase diversity for optimum reception​
-​
CD/DVD drive, MP3-compatible, supports audio output from audio/video DVDs
"¢​
Restyled front bumper with larger air intakes
"¢​
Restyled and separate auxiliary front light units above air intakes
"¢​
New rear bumper
"¢​
New, semi-integrated stainless steel tailpipes
"¢​
Larger exterior mirrors with new design
"¢​
Additional differentiation on all-wheel drive models: rear light-strip (coloured in red),
black trim​
at base of rear bumper, titanium paint finish on front air intake surrounds
and horizontal grilles​
"¢​
Optimised hood system on Cabriolet models
"¢​
New colour range:
-​
Porsche Racing Green Metallic (metallic colour) replaces Forest Green Metallic
-​
Aqua Blue Metallic (metallic colour) replaces Cobalt Blue Metallic
-​
Nordic Gold Metallic (special colour) replaces Dark Olive Metallic
-​
Cream White (special colour) replaces Slate Grey Metallic
"¢​
Front centre console with new styling, black paint finish, modified air-conditioning
controls, fewer switches​
"¢ All standard steering wheels with rim in​
smooth-finish leather, machine-sewn seam
and​
airbag module with soft-touch paint finish
"¢ New controls for​
hood/roof (Cabriolet, Targa / worldwide) and window lifts (NAFTA markets
only)​
"¢ Uprated​
vehicle key
"¢​
7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) (250) incl. new 3-spoke sports steering
wheel for PDK and new, specially designed gear selector​
"¢​
Sport Chrono Package Plus in conj. w. PDK: new functions - launch control, racetrack
gearshift strategy​
and additional "˜Sport Plus' button (640)
"¢​
Mechanical limited-slip rear differential (only for C2 models, standard for C4 /
Targa 4 models) (220)​
"¢​
PASM sports suspension (incl. 20 mm lowering) and mechanical limited-slip rear differential,
also offered for USA (P17) (only for Coupé models, limited-slip differential for allwheel​
drive models as standard)​
"¢ Uprated​
Tyre Pressure Monitoring (TPM) with faster tyre pressure display (482)
"¢​
Dynamic cornering lights (603)
"¢​
Seat ventilation for standard and comfort seats (541)
"¢​
Steering wheel heating, only in conj. w. seat heating and PDK (345)
-​
Navigation module with hard-disc drive (672)
-​
Voice control with whole-word input (671)
- GSM quad-band​
telephone module (Bluetooth® SAP) (666)
-​
Cordless active handset for telephone module (669)
-​
Mobile-phone preparation with console (Bluetooth® HFP) (618)
-​
Mobile-phone preparation (Bluetooth® HFP) (619)
- Integrated​
CD/DVD autochanger (6-disc), MP3-compatible (693)
-​
Universal audio interface for connecting external audio devices, e.g., Apple iPod® or
USB stick in centre console storage compartment (AUX, USB and iPod​
® ports).
iPod​
® and USB stick operated via PCM (870)
- BOSE​
® Surround Sound System, 385 Watts, supports 5.1 discrete surround sound
format​
(680
-​
TV tuner (analogue & digital reception DVB-T) (676)
"¢​
New multifunction steering wheels for PDK in smooth-finish leather (844), macassar
(847), carbon (845) and Aluminium Look (XPU)​
"¢​
Airbag module in smooth-finish leather as additional feature in optional leather
interior​
"¢ Sycamore wood options discontinued​
"¢​
Optional external antenna relocated to front right-hand wing on all models (461)
"¢​
PCNA: XM satellite radio (SDARS) (686)
"¢​
PJ: Extended factory-fitted sat-nav preparation (Japan) plus Clarion aftermarket
navigation system from VPC (standard)​
"¢​
PGCN: Factory-fitted sat-nav preparation (China) plus Panasonic aftermarket
navigation system in PCM from Porsche dealer (optional, from week 45/08)
 
Can just hear the phones ringing in OPC's with folk cancelling orders for current 997!
 
ORIGINAL: richardgilbert

That is a lot of extra kit!!! Any news on when the Turbo is coming?

It's got to be this year. There's so much new kit that some of it must also be incorporated in the new Turbo and Cayman/Boxster models. Presumably though, like the GT3, the current GT2 is just a limited production run.
 
ORIGINAL: rob9974s

Let's hope the price has shot up (speaking as an owner with no intention of changing)

There is a problem with that. Given that Porsche sales have plunged in the USA, and when the USA sneezes Europe catches a cold, PAG cannot possible raise 911 prices. After all, PAG are making record profits so will be able to absorb the minimal increase in production costs
 
the current lack of customer traffic in my nearest couplke of OPCs suggests they'll be reducing prices , never mind raising.

Ok we know that is never going to happen [:mad:]
 
ORIGINAL: Black80XSA

More info published over on Rennteam, but a flavour for you.. (changes in bold)
[FONT=verdana,geneva"]Press Embargo C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio 06.06.2008,C4 (S) Coupé / Cabrio 25.06.2008,Targa 4 (S) 28.07.2008[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"] [FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Start of Production C2 (S) LHD / RHD 21.04.2008, C4 (S) / Targa 4 (S) LHD / RHD 05.05.2008, C2 (S) / C4 (S) / Targa 4 (S) USA KW 23/2008[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"] [FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Market Launch C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio EU, LHD / RHD 05.07.2008, C2 (S) Coupé / Cabrio USA / Canada, 20.09.2008, RoW LHD/RHD, C4 (S) Coupé / Cabrio, Targa 4 (S) Worldwide 25.10.2008[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"] [FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Models Available [FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"] [FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Carrera Coupé / Cabriolet[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Carrera S Coupé / Cabriolet[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Carrera 4 Coupé / Cabriolet[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Carrera 4S Coupé / Cabriolet[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Targa 4[FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ 911 Targa 4S
[FONT=verdana,geneva"]New engine generation with direct fuel injection (DFI):[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- 3.6-l boxer engine with 345 hp (+20 hp), 390 Nm (+20 Nm)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- 3.8-l boxer engine with 385 hp (+30 hp), 420 Nm (+20 Nm)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Increased performance with significant reduction in fuel consumption and[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]CO2 emissions; all engines comply with stringent EU5 regulations (see Appendix 2)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Optimised manual gearbox, upshift indicator in instrument cluster for economical[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]driving (standard for manual gearbox)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Self-adjusting clutch now also on 3.6-l models[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Drive-off assist (standard for manual gearbox and PDK)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Porsche Traction Management (PTM, standard for C4 / Targa 4 models)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Mechanical limited-slip rear differential (standard for C4 / Targa 4 models)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Enhanced Porsche Stability Management (PSM) now also with additional functions[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]for C2 models[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]New braking system for 3.6-l models: closed-top calipers, brake disc diameters:[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]330 mm front (+12 mm), 330 mm rear (+31 mm), thicker brake discs at rear[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"](+4 mm)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Standard wheels with new design: 18-inch Carrera IV wheel, 19-inch Carrera S II[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]wheel[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Larger wheel width and offset at rear for 18-inch Carrera IV wheels on C2 models[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"](10.5J x 18 ET 214215)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Bi-Xenon headlights with cleaning system now also standard on 3.6-l models[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ LED daytime running lights and side lights, conventional foglights discontinued[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ LED taillights with new design[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ New Porsche Communication Management (PCM):[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Central multimedia system including:[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- 6.5-inch TFT colour display (touchscreen)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Radio with RDS twin tuner and scan/phase diversity for optimum reception[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- CD/DVD drive, MP3-compatible, supports audio output from audio/video DVDs[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Restyled front bumper with larger air intakes[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Restyled and separate auxiliary front light units above air intakes[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]New rear bumper[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]New, semi-integrated stainless steel tailpipes[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Larger exterior mirrors with new design[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Additional differentiation on all-wheel drive models: rear light-strip (coloured in red),[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]black trim at base of rear bumper, titanium paint finish on front air intake surrounds[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]and horizontal grilles[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Optimised hood system on Cabriolet models[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]New colour range:[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Porsche Racing Green Metallic (metallic colour) replaces Forest Green Metallic[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Aqua Blue Metallic (metallic colour) replaces Cobalt Blue Metallic[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Nordic Gold Metallic (special colour) replaces Dark Olive Metallic[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Cream White (special colour) replaces Slate Grey Metallic[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Front centre console with new styling, black paint finish, modified air-conditioning[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]controls, fewer switches[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ All standard steering wheels with rim in smooth-finish leather, machine-sewn seam[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]and airbag module with soft-touch paint finish[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ New controls for hood/roof (Cabriolet, Targa / worldwide) and window lifts (NAFTA markets[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]only)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Uprated vehicle key[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) (250) incl. new 3-spoke sports steering[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]wheel for PDK and new, specially designed gear selector[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Sport Chrono Package Plus in conj. w. PDK: new functions - launch control, racetrack[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]gearshift strategy and additional "˜Sport Plus' button (640)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Mechanical limited-slip rear differential (only for C2 models, standard for C4 /[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Targa 4 models) (220)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]PASM sports suspension (incl. 20 mm lowering) and mechanical limited-slip rear differential,[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]also offered for USA (P17) (only for Coupé models, limited-slip differential for allwheel[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]drive models as standard)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Uprated Tyre Pressure Monitoring (TPM) with faster tyre pressure display (482)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Dynamic cornering lights (603)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Seat ventilation for standard and comfort seats (541)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Steering wheel heating, only in conj. w. seat heating and PDK (345)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Navigation module with hard-disc drive (672)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Voice control with whole-word input (671)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- GSM quad-band telephone module (Bluetooth® SAP) (666)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Cordless active handset for telephone module (669)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Mobile-phone preparation with console (Bluetooth® HFP) (618)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Mobile-phone preparation (Bluetooth® HFP) (619)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Integrated CD/DVD autochanger (6-disc), MP3-compatible (693)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- Universal audio interface for connecting external audio devices, e.g., Apple iPod® or[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]USB stick in centre console storage compartment (AUX, USB and iPod® ports).[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]iPod® and USB stick operated via PCM (870)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- BOSE® Surround Sound System, 385 Watts, supports 5.1 discrete surround sound[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]format (680[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]- TV tuner (analogue & digital reception DVB-T) (676)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]New multifunction steering wheels for PDK in smooth-finish leather (844), macassar[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"](847), carbon (845) and Aluminium Look (XPU)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Airbag module in smooth-finish leather as additional feature in optional leather[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]interior[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]"¢ Sycamore wood options discontinued[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]Optional external antenna relocated to front right-hand wing on all models (461)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]PCNA: XM satellite radio (SDARS) (686)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]PJ: Extended factory-fitted sat-nav preparation (Japan) plus Clarion aftermarket[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]navigation system from VPC (standard)[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]PGCN: Factory-fitted sat-nav preparation (China) plus Panasonic aftermarket[FONT=verdana,geneva"]navigation system in PCM from Porsche dealer (optional, from week 45/08)




[FONT=verdana,geneva"][FONT=porschenewsgothic-regular"]"¢ Sycamore wood options discontinued !


Damn, I was looking forward to having that on my 997 GT3 !
[FONT=verdana,geneva"]
 
one of the smaller changes being the uprated vehicle key should make a few happy, its been one of the most whinged about thing for a while....[;)]

garyw
 
Apparently the PCM has been lifted from the VAG parts bin - its a resoftwared one from the Seat Altea apparently, made by VDO Siemens. Its not as good as the Lamborghini Murcielago system, which they could also have taken from the parts bin !!
 
ORIGINAL: Black80XSA

Apparently the PCM has been lifted from the VAG parts bin - its a resoftwared one from the Seat Altea apparently, made by VDO Siemens. Its not as good as the Lamborghini Murcielago system, which they could also have taken from the parts bin !!

I would not worry too much about that. Siemens is a quality company and we should remember just how bad PCM/Sat Nav was when it was introduced on the 996. Porsche of course have a long history of getting parts from other manufacturers, the 356 was almost entirely Beetle and even now BMW make the body parts for the 997. My main gripe about PCM is that we have yet to see Bluetooth and 6 digit post code, something my Garmin Nuvi at £170 is quite able to do. Let's see what 3rd generation PCm is like.
 
I was speaking to an OPC engineers at Ace Cafe meet on Wednesday and he said that they heard that the entry level Carrera will actually have the CO2 (g/km) just one less than the magic 225 CO2 (g/km); that would be quite a reduction as currently it is something like 285...
 
Just got my new 997 Gen 2 brochure. Looks great. Certainly a car to have. Trouble is they are offering peanuts for my Cayman S. What to do? [:eek:]

ps Please don't be rude about Cayman [:)]
 
derek
before anyone is rude-your cayman is beautiful[:D]
pass it on to your children and go for the new 997s!!!you only live once and it DOES look nice!
 
Any idea when there will be models available to test drive?
Also, will there be a Powerkit option?
A Carrera S with PDK is calling my name [;)]
My current car was an impulse buy... so a trip to the OPC is now a guaranteed sale.
 
ORIGINAL: Jimberland

Any idea when there will be models available to test drive?

OPC gave me a call re. PDK - they were talking about having a car available mid July to try out.
They expect the 4 wheel drive models to be available from Nov. but no information on Turbo.
 
I've been reading rumours that this PDK cannot handle the torque generated by the Turbo...
However I thought that was the excuse used by Porsche for the delayed launch of the PDK...[&:]

nothing to do with waiting for the facelift at all......[;)]

garyw
 

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