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First 944 - advice and wanted please

smitty893

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Hi, I'm looking for my first 944. I'm looking for a bit of advice and asking if anyone has anything suitable for sale.
I've narrowed it down to either a 2.7 or an early Turbo.
Don't mind what colour but my preference is white and I would like leather part/leather seats if possible. Mileage again not really an issue but obviously must be accomplanied by good service history. The only thing I am adamant about is that the bodywork has to be in good condition - don't like rust !!
Your thoughts are most welcome good and bad points etc
Thanks in advance.
Cheers !!

 
It may be helpful if you give an idea of what your budget is. Also are you thinking of doing mechanical work etc or are you having to budget for garage bills.
Good luck with the search, a good 944 is an absolute pleasure, a bad one an absolute nightmare.

Cheers,
 
Not a bad idea !!!!!!!
Unfortunately my budget isn't great 3 to 4k tops - more than happy to do my own work (except paint !!) and yes very much trying to avoid the nightmare
 
Well your initial intentions of concentrating on bodywork is the best approach so you're halfway there. Turbo's and S2's have different front wings and front panels and have a platic under wing and sill trim. Give this a wiggle along it's length and if it is loose or wobbles then it is highly likely that one or more of the studs have corroded away which is an indication for you to have a closer look. Concentrate on the bottom edge of the wings - this is a 'problem area' on S2's and turbos as the plastic trim holds water. I'd say that the vast majority will have some corrosion at this position so it is not a show stopper as it can be fixed by having he bottom 5 inches or so of the wing removed, a repair panel made and welded back on. It would cost around £600 for this. You should take a close look at sills also. I would argue against the impression that the cars are susceptable to rust in this area but some people are reporting corrosion in their sills. People have reported repair costs ranging from £500 - £1000 per sill to replace so it is not a cheap job and again shouldn't be a show stopper if you can get the cost knocked off the asking price. If OEM parts and a good body shop are used then there is no reason why repaired sills shouldn't be good to last another 20yrs.

No matter what car you go for in the end then budget about £1500 to cover the mechanicals. The main reason why people tend to sell their cars when they do is that they suspect (or have been told) that a large maintenance bill is not far away so try to suss out what that job is. For example timing belt (and chain, tensioner and possibly camshaft on the 16v engines) need to be budgeted in, clutches, brake linings or cylinder head gaskets. Approximate costs for an 8v engine belt change is from £400 to £800 depending on where you take it, a clutch is around 12 Mh of labour and about £400 for the clutch kit, cylinder head replacement is about 10Mh labour plus a couple of hundred for parts. Unfortunately with these cars due to their age you usually pick up a few 'while your in there you might as well......' extras on every job, but if you take care of your 944 it will reward you.

For an early turbo expect to pay £6500 - £7000 for a pretty good one and a couple of grand more for a later model. Unfortunately i've no idea on what you should be paying for a 2.7. Good luck!
 
ORIGINAL: smitty893

Not a bad idea !!!!!!!
Unfortunately my budget isn't great 3 to 4k tops - more than happy to do my own work (except paint !!) and yes very much trying to avoid the nightmare

Your budget is enough to buy a really good 8 valve, and have some in hand for the inevitable - see concurrent thread on new purchase!

You also have enough to buy a really dodgy Turbo, but with no spare cash to fix what will more than likely be a money-pit.

You are right in the lower range of S2 territory, and £4k will JUST get you a good one if you learn what to look for and take your time.

If it was me, I'd either buy the best Lux around or save an extra couple of £k and wait for a decent S2 with some cash in hand.

 
Just a bit of a warning. I'm not sure if you have more patients than me but i've always fixed my cars in the past and have carried out some fairly juicy tasks that include clutch replacements and suspension shock absorber and spring replacements, and I went into 944 ownership with the intensions of continuing that. However I very quickly learned that although these cars are so well engineered so they dismantle and go back toghether again like a dream (apart from the odd siezed nut or two) they are a real pain in the arse to work on. Relitively simple jobs have taken me three or four times longer to complete than on other cars and, i'm ashamed to admit, a couple of jobs i've given up on halfway through. I'm in oar (spelling) of people who tackle big jobs on their driveway. Although I know how to do the jobs in terms of the procedure I don't have to guts to take on a big job. I can't afford to have the car off the road for long periods of time anyway.
 
Hi Smitty,

You've set yourself a bit of a task if you stick rigidly to your preferences and budget.

Leather is pretty rare apart from in Turbos
2.7s were only made in 1989 and are also rare
White is not a common colour

A budget of 3-4k for a good car means you really need to focus on a 2.5 Lux as good Turbos will be out of that price range, though you could be lucky to find an S2 that has been undervalued or the owner wants to sell quickly.
There is a car that ticks most of your boxes for sale by a forum member at the moment. It is slightly over your budget but by the looks of it has had some of the expensive bits fixed very recently yone of the most highly respected 944 Specialists:

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=290268
 
I agree with Scott on the home maintenance bit. I am far from timid when it comes to wielding a spanner but 944s can be very frustrating. It seems that it takes 3 hours to remove all of the associated bits in the way to get to one component that takes 10 minutes to replace. You also need a spectacular array of tools which you only seem to use once, just to get to that last awkward bolt which is 9" up and then just in that corner where a conventional socket extension wont reach.

I like to use new bolts and seals when ever I remove anything. Seldom has the bill for bolts and seals come to less than £100.

There is little significant advantage in the 2.7 so I wouldn't discount a late 2.5 (Oval Dash at least) - a very good car but unlikely to have leather. Lux are far nicer to work on as they don't have all the ancillaries of a Turbo.

Paul is correct on the budget issue. Unless you find a hidden peach a Turbo is going to be ropey and need money spent on it.
 
I know you guys pay nothing for your cars over there but I would think that going for a turbo with that budget is asking for it. The last thing you want to do is spend your money on a car that is going to give you lots of probs and wind up sitting in your driveway/garage for months on end. Let me tell you it's a total pain even when you have the money to repair or change things let alone when you don't. Much better off buying an 8v in good nick and having a bit over for some repairs and maitenance and actually driving the car on a regular basis. The idea is to buy the car and have some fun in it in my book.
 
There are some decent-looking Luxes in this month's Porsche Post.

Along with several S2 cabs and 2 turbo cabs. I wonder if they all realised that the adverts would arrive after the wettest Bank Holiday weekend I can remember.....[:(]
 
ORIGINAL: smitty893

Hi, I'm looking for my first 944. I'm looking for a bit of advice and asking if anyone has anything suitable for sale.
I've narrowed it down to either a 2.7 or an early Turbo.
Don't mind what colour but my preference is white and I would like leather part/leather seats if possible. Mileage again not really an issue but obviously must be accomplanied by good service history. The only thing I am adamant about is that the bodywork has to be in good condition - don't like rust !!
Your thoughts are most welcome good and bad points etc
Thanks in advance.
Cheers !!


I have a 1986 2.5 8V 944 Lux that MIGHT be for sale..the car is only a few steps away from perfect(for me)..i have put over £4k in her since last april..but i have realised that a coupe without targa sunroof simply will not do it for me..so i might go after something a bit more exclusive..if you're interested of viewing or pics just drop me an email to porsche.944@need4speed.com or give me a ring on 07871457258(Axl).
 
ORIGINAL: 333pg333

The idea is to buy the car and have some fun in it in my book.

absolutely mate. Couldn't agree more, having just lost £1000 on a 928 which I owned for 18 months and actually drove for 6 months and cost me £1500 in repairs Not too much fun.
 
Thanks for your input, will let you know as soon as I get a car - no doubt will be asking further questions when I do
Cheers !!
 

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