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First impressions of my 991S

tony.arnold

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I thought you might be interested in first impressions of my 991S PDK. I say first impressions as I'm (trying) to keep to 3000rpm for the first 500 miles, although my OPC tell me that this is not necessary.
My wife and I like the colour scheme of Basalt Black with two-tone Agate Grey/Pebble Grey interior. Classic wheels help to set the whole thing off and wheel spaces fill out the wheel arches. PDK (my first time) is brilliant. Bearing in mind my self-imposed rev. limit, I'm using it mostly in fully automatic mode and the gear changes are very smooth. However, throttle response is tardy without using the sport button which transforms the response completely and also activates the sports exhaust. This makes a blood curdling noise and is particularly good on the overrun (even from 3000rpm!). I used the paddle-shift extensively when testing demonstrators and it's brilliant, particularly on down changes. The ride on 20" wheels is remarkably good, unlike any other 911 I've driven and, whilst I've yet to throw it around much, the handling is excellent with very confident turn-in. I can't wait to try a 991 on the Porsche handling track at Silverstone in three weeks time. I have to say I'm not so keen on the electric steering which feels slightly wooden, but it's very direct and if it helps to save the planet - so be it, I suppose! On some previous Porsches we've had upgraded hi-fi's, but having heard the new system we saved the money as we feel it's perfectly adequate. The new touch screen "infotainment" (their word, not mine!) system is good, but the sat-nav still lacks full six digit postcode input. Electric folding mirrors are a worthwhile option (quite reasonable for Porsche at £202) as they operate as soon as the car is locked. As I like to sit with the seat set low, park assist front and rear is also useful. Having seen the new sunshine roof in operation, I wish I'd specified this but you can't have everything. I also wish I'd had a rear screen wiper, but as they still don't have a wash/wipe facility I didn't bother. Overall (apart from a few niggles) I think it's a great car and a huge imporvement over previous models. It's now a highly competent grand-tourer and a great sports car when you need it to be. (Pics to follow).
Tony Arnold
 
ORIGINAL: tony@csys.co.uk Overall (apart from a few niggles) I think it's a great car and a huge improvement over previous models. It's now a highly competent grand-tourer and a great sports car when you need it to be.
Hi Tony Thanks for the great review. I want to ask though - what 997 did you own or have previously extensively driven to make such comparisons? I am finding that current owners of 997s are much less impressed with the 991 than those who have only driven 997s briefly in the past - including myself. Best regards, Alex
 
I have recently had a test drive of a 991s. The interior is better than the 997 and the exhaust note is good. There is no doubt this car is better but only slight when compared to the 997 gen2 that I have. Prior to the gen2 I had a 997 with tptronic and felt there was a huge improvement from the gen1 tiptronic to the gen 2 PDK and even though my Porsche lieage is low could justify the cost of changing then. The situation is different now, my current gen 2 has only 10k miles in just over 3 years and I dont think the 991 is sufficinetly different to warrant a 50k+ expenditure. My local OPC have been keen to get me into a 991 but have shown extreme reluctance to give me any idea what my current car is worth in part exchange!!
 
Tony Look forward to seeing the pictures. I've read some negatives about the sunroof but it would certainly be in my spec for a car- as was the rear wiper on my 997- in real world I find it quite useful. garyw
 
The guys at Autocar seem to like it: http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Porsche-911-3.8-Carrera-S/261167/
 
I tend to disagree that the changes over the Gen 2 997 are only slight. It has a longer wheelbase and wider track and is lower. The S has 20" wheels. It has electric steering (which felt pretty reasonable to me - others disagree), retractable wing mirrors, a much better interior, a great sounding PSE, improved PDK. It has an all aluminium body. But best of all is the reduced tyre noise and, piece de resistance, the PDCC which transforms it's handling in the twisty bits. They have addressed niggles like selecting "Sport" does not put the ride into firm mode. In terms of the usual "evolution not revolution" that we have seen in the past this model appears to have "evolved" somewhat more quickly! IM(humble)O, of course![;)]
 
Tony Great to have the first real owners view, not just a quick test drive (Lancerlot excepted, of course, who has had a whole day test). I'd also be interested in your last car(s), as a lot of views so far have come from our turbo friends who of course are used to a very different type of performance. Please keep us up to date with your thoughts as the miles pass by as we all know the 911 gets better with a few thousand under the belt. Also hope to get a Silverstone session soon, when I get round to booking it! Tell us what you think of your trip in a few weeks time too.
 
Hi, Alex The 991 is my seventh 911. I'm keeping my 997 GT3 which I've had for four years and before that I had a 997S for four years. The GT3 has superb steering and a hard ride, so it's not surprising that I'm not that impressed woth the steering of the 991 but do like its ride. It's a long time since I've driven a 997 and I certainly enjoyed my time with it. I'm told later models are even better, but in my opinion they'd have to be to compare with the 991. Regards - Tony Arnold P.S. Pics attached
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ORIGINAL: tony@csys.co.uk The 991 is my seventh 911. I'm keeping my 997 GT3 which I've had for four years and before that I had a 997S for four years.
Excellent credentials Sir. Your review has even more gravitas now [:)] When you have run her in, please could you do a full bore acceleration up to (around) 70mph - in a straight line (like on a motorway entry road) - and then lift off the throttle. Then tell us if there is the 'wobble' that I noticed in my demo car?
The GT3 has superb steering and a hard ride, so it's not surprising that I'm not that impressed with the steering of the 991 but do like its ride.
Compliance is certainly king on our rubbish B-roads we have in this country!
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain I tend to disagree that the changes over the Gen 2 997 are only slight. 
I think the changes over the drive are at least 50% better than a 997.2 C2S - however, so is a trip to Center Gravity in a 997 (at a much lower cost!). Now a 991.1 C2S after Chris has 'fixed' it will be truly impressive...
 
Good to hear from someone that actually has one delivered and on the road. I have a 997.2 cabrio so am waiting to see the TT before deciding where to go next (i have a letter of intent for the latter with my OPC) Like the number plate, so much so that I managed to get one today in the DVLA auction with the same number and my own initials. And at a very nice price too!! Would love to hear your thoughts after a few more miles - the difference between my car at a few miles and 35k plus is immeasurable. I find it incredible that people have these magnificent machines for a few thousand miles and then sell them. I can assure each and every one of them they have never seen the best of their cars.
 
ORIGINAL: pboldmonts Like the number plate, so much so that I managed to get one today in the DVLA auction with the same number and my own initials. And at a very nice price too!!
OT I know, but I was looking at the DVLA auction and noticed the bubble seems to of burst on the reg prices!! Some great deals going, I missed out on one on the 1st day- it went unsold, so firing an email off to them [:)]
 
If you need any help speak to Dan at Boldreg.com - check out his site as he has lots on offer. He will also take an order and find a plate for you. He is a nice guy and there is nobody that knows more about the trade than he in my, albeit limited, experience. I wouldn't hesitate to use him again. He is also NOT on commission so has no interest in ramping up prices - he charges a flat fee. Worth a look.
 
In this weeks Autocar the C2S is described as the "Greatest all purpose sports car the world has ever seen". Praise indeed and worth a read
 
ORIGINAL: bobfair In this weeks Autocar the C2S is described as the "Greatest all purpose sports car the world has ever seen". Praise indeed and worth a read
What page was that advert on [;)]
 
Its on the cover Gary so a real advert. What seems to be coming out about the car is that it has two personalities. On the one hand driven at a sensible pace it is more refined and more of a GT which will appeal to many buyers. On the other hand once pushed hard its performance is fantastic with significantly improved handling. It also seems that you need to spend some time with the car before you appreciate all its benefits as the character does not hit you straight away [like with my GT 3 for instance]. I am spending a few days with one next week so will be interested to see how I feel afterwards as I will be driving 997 and 991 back to back. I also have the opportunity to try the new Bentley V8 so will report on that as well
 
I actually bought a copy today (maybe because of the advert on the front page[:D])- first time in many a year. In the group test I was surprised, looking at the stats, that the Lotus Evora, which I had assumed was a light, nimble, smaller car, was in fact the opposite. Larger, heavier, slower and less economical. And less power from a supercharged engine.
 

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