For YvesD...997 C2S powerkit vs GT3 vs RS vs TT

[Grant]

Has been mentioned elsewhere on the web, but if you haven't read it there is a good article in this month GT Purely Porsche full performance, track time, driving comparisons between 997 C2S powerkit vs GT3 vs RS vs TT, (26 pages worth it total!!) will please YvesD to see that the powerkit car was pretty much as fast as the GT3's up to 100! Of course there is a lot more to a car than its straight line performance, but interesting to see how close they were!

Anyway IMO the mags worth your hard earn't sheckles this month!

 

[garyw]

Totally agree.. []
A magazine test that alot have been waiting for...
Great news all round but I knew what would win overall from previous articles [].

garyw

 

[Grant]

ORIGINAL: garyw
Great news all round but I knew what would win overall from previous articles [].
garyw

Yup had to be the GT3 of course!![][]

But that Turbo can certainly shift!

 

[garyw]

A bet you keep your eyes peeled for X51 guys now eh Grant ?

Made for great reading, perhaps post the figures up after the majority have read the article...

Strange that Yves hasn't posted yet, maybe he's at Tesco buying his copy []

garyw

 

[YvesD]

Dudes,

I didnt know about this but now I do I shall procure a copy tomorrow !

No surprise to hear the X51 car wasnt out of its depth, its pretty handy when well stoked.

Thanks again for the tip off

Yves

 

[jbm]

Thanks for the news on the article - must get a copy myself. Just back home from Mid-Sussex Porsche who have just finished an X51 upgrade on my C2S. The car certainly seems to be very eager indeed throughout the rev range, and I'm delighted with the performance and really looking forward to driving it again soon. On a side note, I was very impressed by the friendly and enthusiastic team at Mid-Sussex.

 

[garyw]

So you X51 guys don't get too cocky [] gearing is mentioned quite a bit []
On the other hand you could say Porsche did there R&D just right and got the gearing spot on the the usual use of the 997

garyw

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Grant

Has been mentioned elsewhere on the web, but if you haven't read it there is a good article in this month GT Purely Porsche full performance, track time, driving comparisons between 997 C2S powerkit vs GT3 vs RS vs TT, (26 pages worth it total!!) will please YvesD to see that the powerkit car was pretty much as fast as the GT3's up to 100! Of course there is a lot more to a car than its straight line performance, but interesting to see how close they were!

Anyway IMO the mags worth your hard earn't sheckles this month!

Article is Fab and very informative

Basic message is suprise surprise the GT3/RS will murder you on the track.

On Road Turbo is by far quickest point to point and the x51 isn't actually much slower than a GT3 but with extra comfort. The gearing difference seems to allow the GT3 to be king of the Ring but then gets got on normal roads.

Edited as not to be a spoiler just yet [] just wipe your mouse over the light text to reveal the results.

 

[YvesD]

ORIGINAL: garyw

So you X51 guys don't get too cocky [] gearing is mentioned quite a bit []
garyw

What are you suggesting Gary ?, surely adding two turbo's to the motor is a bigger cheat than getting the gearing right !

Yves

 

[garyw]

No cheating mentioned at all... and I find the gearing spot on... well maybe 1st is a bit short []

garyw

 

[YvesD]

Interesting to see that the C2S and Turbo are geared vitually identically, I agree about first being short too, blink and you miss it !

Regards

Yves

 

[Grant]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

ORIGINAL: garyw
So you X51 guys don't get too cocky [] gearing is mentioned quite a bit []
garyw

What are you suggesting Gary ?, surely adding two turbo's to the motor is a bigger cheat than getting the gearing right !
Yves

The article refers to the gearing because the GT cars have longer ratios, for example at the top end of the rev range where the GT3 hits its stride, the powerkit cars have had to change up...............................................
C2S power kit GT3
mph secs secs
60-80 2.9 2.1
90-110 4.1 3.1
120-140 6.4 5.0

But the bottom line is that there isn't much in it on road unless you want to go well above 100mph, same would be true of a standard 997S against a powerkit car it's all percentages!Of course the Turbo would romp away initially, but even this is overtaken by the GT3 eventually (according to Autocars 0-200 test a while ago) due to aerodynamics!

Each has its place & none is better than the other when you take into account cost vs involvement vs comfort vs vs performance vs residuals, so we are all right in our choices!

Having owned a Turbo (fantastic car although mine was only a 996TT) & had 24 hours in a 997S (superb beast loved it) the 997GT3 does it for me for its awesome balance of ultra involvement with decent refinement, better residuals, awesome sound & performance, but hey I love them all!

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: garyw

No cheating mentioned at all... and I find the gearing spot on... well maybe 1st is a bit short []

garyw

Gry figures you quoted int he other thread.

For the GT magasine they did figures with 2 up, a full tank of petrol and a 6mph headwind, so their figures were slower than porsches who allegdly figure theirs with one up and half a tank of fule, presumably no headwind.

As its claimed that these cars take 6,000 - 10, 000 miles to develop full power so only the GT3 was near its full compliment of horses

Porsches own figures give a GT3/RS 0-100 of around 8.7 secs, the x51 0-100 of 9.7secs, so you can see the diffrence

Surely the GT2 figures need to be a bit more than that as they pretty much mirror the Turbo's.....

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Grant

ORIGINAL: YvesD

ORIGINAL: garyw
So you X51 guys don't get too cocky [] gearing is mentioned quite a bit []
garyw

What are you suggesting Gary ?, surely adding two turbo's to the motor is a bigger cheat than getting the gearing right !
Yves

The article refers to the gearing because the GT cars have longer ratios, for example at the top end of the rev range where the GT3 hits its stride, the powerkit cars have had to change up...............................................
C2S power kit GT3
mph secs secs
60-80 2.9 2.1
90-110 4.1 3.1
120-140 6.4 5.0

But the bottom line is that there isn't much in it on road unless you want to go well above 100mph, same would be true of a standard 997S against a powerkit car it's all percentages!Of course the Turbo would romp away initially, but even this is overtaken by the GT3 eventually (according to Autocars 0-200 test a while ago) due to aerodynamics!

Each has its place & none is better than the other when you take into account cost vs involvement vs comfort vs vs performance vs residuals, so we are all right in our choices!

Having owned a Turbo (fantastic car although mine was only a 996TT) & had 24 hours in a 997S (superb beast loved it) the 997GT3 does it for me for its awesome balance of ultra involvement with decent refinement, better residuals, awesome sound & performance, but hey I love them all!

Grant

I think the answer is that the article gave the owner of any of these 4 types of machine something to be smug about, you couldn't have had a better outcome of a test without upsetting the apple cart if Porsche wrote it themselves.......[] Now theres a thought.......every one is a winner

Interesting when comparing specs as tested, the price gap was approx 8-9k on each step from C2S to GT3 to RS

 

[garyw]

ORIGINAL: okellyt

Gary figures you quoted in the other thread.

For the GT magazine they did figures with 2 up, a full tank of petrol and a 6mph headwind, so their figures were slower than Porsche's who allegedly figure theirs with one up and half a tank of fuel, presumably no headwind.

Very true, my mistake for not saying so...[] Taken from the GT magazine which hopefully most have read now...
I see them as real world figures and gives a nice comparison to Porsche official numbers.. Either way great article with some stunning shots []

garyw