from German to UK registration + insurance

[ericsi]

Me again...[8|]

On another post i mentioned that i just got a 64rs from Germany.

I have never had a UK registred car (always French reg til now, although i have been in London for over 8 years...).

=> => Is anyone able to describe precisely what would be the full process to follow, to get the car registered in the uk?
(from it' s current German temporary plates).
Until now i planned to have it registered in France, as i have an adress there and i have done this several times.

Obviously i live in the uk and work here, but the use for the car is so occasional that i found it easier to register it in France. The more i think about it and the more i think it could become a problem in the future particularly in case of a serious problem...

I know that it is illegal to keep a car more than 90 days in the UK without having it back in its original country. But i could get around this and plan a weekend everynow and then on the other side of the channel.


=> => 2ND problem would be the insurance: i have never been insured in the UK and would not even know where to start. Although i have owned sportscars (other porsches, lotuses, ferrari etc...) in France for the last 10 years and no issues (no claims??). I am not sure if that would play.
I leave in London with a private and closed garage and the 64rs is my only car.
I have a French registered scooter... Maybe i could get that too on UK plates (i have been going around London for 8 years like this...)..

I started a new thread on this because i would have thought that German to UK registration could potentially be an issue encountered by other people in the UK looking for rs' s on the continent...

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance,
Eric.

 

[Yoda]

Hi Eric

Can't help with registration question but there are previous threads with good insurance contacts in the UK. Try Classicline and A Manning for starters. Many of the very good Porsche policies with track cover are for second car only so you may want to check that is ok with any prospective policy.

Regards

 

[pmjt]

ORIGINAL: ericsi
=> => Is anyone able to describe precisely what would be the full process to follow, to get the car registered in the uk?
(from it' s current German temporary plates).
Until now i planned to have it registered in France, as i have an adress there and i have done this several times.

Several people I know have fallen foul of not registering a car in the European territory it is used in - I believe the period is actually 180 days - although this may have changed now to 90. In theory if not registered and you are involved in an accident your insurance could be invalidated - and this is then a criminal, and very serious matter.

First things first, have the car MOT'd at any MOT station - they will need to issue the certificate on the chassis number - this is quite legal and correct. You may need to convert the headlights *permanently* to RHD by purchasing a replacement RHD set. It's not a difficult job to swap them when you go abroad and insulating tape is no longer a legal solution!

Ideally, get a letter from Porsche Cars GB warranty department at Reading (they'll charge you £64 for the priviledge!) which shows that the car was originally supplied in the EU and therefore EU taxes paid.

With the letter from Porsche and your new MOT certificate, go to any DVLA office and complete a V55/5 to first register the car - they *may* require the Fahreitzungbrief you should have received from the previous German owner. Can't remember if there is a registration fee to pay but it's only small if at all. Of course you will have to pay the RFL for the car which is probably £175.

You should then receive a V5 logbook and a numberplate entitlement certificate, enabling you to have the assigned number made up - the MOT will be stamped with a 'registered as' mark and the new number, and a tax disc showing the new number.

It's really quite simple []

HTH

Philip

 

[burrow01]

ORIGINAL: ericsi

=> => 2ND problem would be the insurance: i have never been insured in the UK and would not even know where to start. Although i have owned sportscars (other porsches, lotuses, ferrari etc...) in France for the last 10 years and no issues (no claims??). I am not sure if that would play.

Thanks in advance,
Eric.

Hi,

If you can ask your French insurers to provide a letter stating your current number of claim free years, most insurance companies that you would be looking at would accept this as "Proof of No Claims", so you should be able to transfer this from France to the UK.
My car is insured as my Primary car and has cover for 5 Porsche Club Trackdays included

Cheers

Pete

 

[chfs911]

Philip,

That is only if the car is less than 10years old. All you need to do if older is MOT. Log onto DVLA page and email them for the Registration forms and VAT declaration. There is a FAQ on their website so no need to go into details here.

It lists on the forms what you need to take to your local DVLA office and says they may wish to inspect the car.

You will need the German paperwork to get the car registered in the UK. You then pay £35 plus tax disc and they will issue a age related plate. J reg. If you want a private plate RSL you need to purchase and supply with your paperwork.

They do it all in a week after you have supplied all the forms and supporting details.

Charles

 

[PhilRS]

I can confirm that it is quite straightforward--have done it twice with cars imported from Germany. You can even call the DVLA and they will tell you the procedure.

 

[ericsi]

Guys, thanks a lot. This is really appreciated.

I would really like to know more about this 90 days versus 180 days rule on the territory of residence.

Because in theory i will go back onto the French territory more than twice a year with the car? Would i be illegal in this case??? say the car remains in the UK for 89 days, i then go for a weekend in France... am i valid for another 90 days on the uk territory??

My insurance in France, covers any trackday and i have used them for a long-long time. They cover the sports cars at their real market value. Which is why i am keen to stay with them.

Finally, i would really like NOT to swap the KMH clock for an MPH one. This is for an obvious originality reason. What is the view on this? Will the MOT force me to change it?

Regards,
Eric.

 

[chfs911]

It is not part of the MOT check but you should mark on MPH as is is a requirement to have MPH display in UK.

You can get small stick on nos. which will do.

 

[ericsi]

Thanks Charles.

So far, i called Classicline, who said 1/ i have a french license 2/ my postcode e1w (wapping) is bad!

For god' s sake, there are bloody f40' s, gt40' s and diablo' s going up and down my street... But apparently being near shadwell does not help.[8|]

A Manning quoted me £1450 a year for 5000 miles which i find very steep given that i am 32 and have over 10 years experience with these cars and no claims in the past 5 years.

It now seems that i may have to change my license for a UK one... not getting easier.

Any other suggestions for insurance, i am happy to take. I did not realise that not having a UK license would be such a problem.

I will try Elephant and Directline as other people mentioned them.

 

[burrow01]

I'm with Performance Marque - advertise in Porsche Post

Be carefull with some of the cheaper insurance companies - they will load you for having "extras" such as alloy wheels etc, as they say they will make the car more attractive to thieves, but they will not pay out for any extras in the event of a write off....

I think you are supposed to change your license after a year living in the country []

Pete

 

[Jamie Summers]

Eric,
Try these guys, they were happy to cover my caged, Moteced 964 RS parked on-street in London for c.£800
http://www.asset-trust.co.uk/classic.htm
They are a small specialist company who take a refreshingly grown-up view of "risk". Only downside is that they don't offer track cover.

Good luck,

Jamie
ps love the look of your new car, seems mint, well done. I understand every emotion that you are going through now - that was me two weeks ago !!! I also had to do the UK registration, but mine was from Sweden rather than Germany (even though the car has been in Notting Hill for the past two years !), the procedure is exactly as described above. You will receive all of the documentation you need 3-4 days after you visit the DVLA office with the relevant forms - I had thought that they gave you the papers there and then, but unfortunately you have to wait for them to process it and post it out to you. In theory you should not use the car until you have the papers that allow you to get the license plates made up and the tax disc, so it's a bit frustrating. It's no problem getting the car MOTed and insured just using the chassis number, then when you have the registration number you get the MOT / insurance papers re-issued. The process is fairly simple it's just a bit slower than you want it to be, and there are a lot of forms to fill in.

 

[ericsi]

Hi Jamie, and Burrow, will check them tomorrow definitely.

Jamie, sounds like we are not too far from one another. Maybe we should grab a quick coffee in the New Year?

Am off to meet the Titanic guys tonight in the city... bought a set of kettles to make pressies... in bulk... it' s xmas after all isn' t it?? []

 

[ericsi]

Jamie,

you were right, Asset Trust are the cheapest around.

*they quoted: £884 fully comp annual.
*Directline was £1100.
*Aon was £1347.
*Basically most of the companies i checked are around £1100.
*Classicline insurance would not quote me because i leave in London Wapping (high risk!!), and i hold a european license.
*A Manning was £1200.
All policies are for a insurance value of £40k and limited mileage of 5000 miles.

Problem is that no track days are included with Asset Trust.

I am still trying to see if i can stay with my french insurance company....

Bit annoying to have bought 964rs and not being able to track it because no insurance cover.... Asset trust offered another policy (more expensive and more restrictive) which offers a to pay track days one by one for 1% of the car value... £400 a pop.... not ideal either!

Anyone with a magic idea.
Pls let me know.

Regards,
Eric.

 

[Melv]

OK, you pay more, but aren't AON giving six free track days per year???

 

[ericsi]

They say they would not cover all track days and that it would require to call them each time before.

They have also a fair amount of restrictive elements: car in a closed garage from 10pm to 6am etc....

+ they are really among the most expensive of all the companies i checked.

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: ericsi

They say they would not cover all track days and that it would require to call them each time before.

THEY COVER SIX FREE PER YEAR AS LONG AS THEY ARE FROM RECOGNISED ORGANISERS WITH FULL MEDICAL/MARSHALL/ACCIDENT COVER.

I JUST RING THEM UP WITH THE DETAILS, EVEN ON THE DAY.

They have also a fair amount of restrictive elements: car in a closed garage from 10pm to 6am etc....

YEP, AND MUST BE SECOND CAR

+ they are really among the most expensive of all the companies i checked.

I PAY ABOUT £500p.a. BUT I AM ANCIENT AND HAVE BEEN WITH THEM SINCE '94 WHEN THEY TOOK OVER BAIN HOGG. ALSO TW20 POSTCODE IN MY FAVOUR AND 3000MILE LIMIT

 

[Ian964]

A Manning include unlimited track days if by a recognised organiser (ATDO member). Don't even need to phone them up each time.

 

[ericsi]

finally decided to go for fench reg. My insurer made a query regarding my situation in the uk. I can have the car 1 full year at a time in the uk. Need to take the car once a year to France. Unlimited trackday in Europe. £900 year fully comp. Much simpler for me.

Drove the car to calais to do the controle technique and to proceed to french reg, and got a very enthusiastic chap with a audi rs4 in the eurotunnel behind me asking me all sorts of questions about the rs' s etc... seems like there is going to be another new 64rs player very soon around here... Since i owned this car, i have never had so much 'enthusiatic' attention! much more than the ferrari or other cars i had before.[]