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Future alterations to YOUR Porsche

Willardfan

Willardfan

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Members may be interested to know of the government's future intention to make it illegal to alter any part of your Porsche, or to drive any vehicle which has been altered, or 'tampered with' in the Department of Transport's words. The proposal covers ALL parts, so even replacement service parts will be required to be OEM. It will be illegal to advertise, sell or fit pattern parts, whether these alter performance, or not. It is also the government's intention to make it a requirement for all cars to include data recording chips which will be capable of providing to the authorities speeds attained at any given time, after the fact. Some newer cars already have these chips fitted, although they are generally not yet activated.

There appears to be nothing in the proposals to prevent these new standards being applied to older vehicles.

An entire industry related to aftermarket parts will also be threatened by these proposals (I have no links to these industries) and much interest and enjoyment for many Porsche enthusiasts will be completely restricted.

You may want to make your thoughts on such proposals know to the DoT, via their consultation survey (Future of transport regulatory review: modernising vehicle standards) which can be found at https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/ETVHG5/

For an undisclosed reason the DoT has reduced the consultation period in this case from the usual 12 weeks to 8 . The closing date for submission of consultation surveys is 22nd November.

 
Cant see where it says anything at all about prohibiting the use of none OEM parts on a vehicle, are you able to provide a link to the section that says this is to be the case?

 
Hi Tim

'We will create new offences for tampering with a system, part or component of a vehicle intended or adapted to be used on a road.'

'We will also create new offences for tampering with non-road mobile machinery (NRMM) and for advertising ‘tampering’ services or products.'

'a specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM'

'a new power to require economic operators to provide information, where a service/product they have supplied amounts to or enables ‘tampering’ with a vehicle or NRMM'

Reference: Department for Transport Future of transport regulatory review: modernising vehicle standards

 
I’ve seen this elsewhere and mentioned by some of the classic car mags.

I've signed it for the y of all those it may possibly affect because my own car is completely OEM standard and this doesn’t apply to me obviously [;)]

 
John, very interesting and sneaky of the Government to try and progress this survey quickly. How did you come by it and have you responded to it? I've read through the survey , filled it in with my responses but yet to press the button and send it off, but I would be opposed to the proposals, even though my car is stock and un-modified, this could kill many businesses. Any others have opinions on it?

cheers

John

 
I wonder with such wide reaching implications for club members and indeed any car they may own not just a Porsche if this should also be shared within the members only section of the forum.

Removing the ability to choose for example your exhaust manufacturer seems to be in direct opposition of free trade etc. As long as the parts are safe and comply with MOT and other legislation....

 
Would be helpful to understand the definition of tampering. I cannot imagine the government intends to remove a whole industry of component manufacturers and independent garages. I can imagine those same manufacturers and independent garages being forced to comply with tightening legislation. I assume this is related to emissions so modifying engine control software, intake and exhaust to affect engine performance for road cars has to be a no-no but installing non OEM approved brake pads or tyres is of little consequence. I’ve looked on the SMMT web site for a comment but couldn’t find anything. Would be interested to hear our Club’s response.

 
Hi John & Dave

The proposals came to my attention via the motorcycle press, and yes I have submitted a survey response. I'm trying to make people aware while not directly influence others' views, but clearly, in their current form, the proposals will have some deeply detrimental effects for many car enthusiasts.

The proposals impact all powered moving vehicles, not just those using the Queen's Highways, so track-day only cars, racing cars (unless classified as prototypes) etc could fall under this legislation. It is important for people to let their thoughts be known via the survey.

Dave - Aftermarket discs and pads could be outlawed under the 'safety' sections of the proposals. The RAC have published an article highlighting the projected increased servicing costs facing the average motorist if these proposals are enacted.

Having said all that there are some sensible points to some of the proposals. For example I don't think anyone would want a back street garage, or DIYer to be altering the control software in a future road going autonomous vehicle.

 
Thanks John, while Government intentions 'may' be good, i.e. safety related, it seems messy and far too broad ranging in its currently worded form, and I have said so in my survey reply. It appears that it does not take into account the damage it could do to many manufacturing and 'parts' selling businesses, even if they produce parts to international (ISO-9001) quality standards.

I also equate the veiled threat of a hidden (not yet used ) chip, to monitor "driving conditions" (i.e. speed) and maintain safety, to that of social media sites who say you can only use their site if you agree to their 97 pages of T&C's (in small print), which of course nobody reads. Then they use your meta-data (which websites sell for marketing) for their own financial gain. The Government therefore would be collecting data on who you are, where you are, how fast you were going etc. I know they have most of that now by tracking credit cards, mobile phones, etc; it's all very 'Big Brother - 1984'........

 
I can fully understand the concerns and am in the process of sending in my survey, how far will it go will we have to use OPC branded and approved oils, brake fluids, tyres, windscreen washer fluids etc?

In my case I also have concerns around disability adaptions which are all manufactured and fitted by third party companies, as far as I'm aware no vehicle manufactures design, manufacture or install there own disability adaptions as the needs and requirements are specific to each individual. I think the government are opening a whole can of worms trying to regulate some thing that doesn't need looking at just to stop someone fitting a louder aftermarket exhaust or fitting Carlos Fandango wheels etc.

I think there is more to this than the government have thought through so far or perhaps we are seeing issues that are not really going to be there but I'd rather voice my opposition that sleep walk into this.

 
thanks for bringing this up! One point that's not been mentioned so far is the impact on the skills base in the country - certainly I only got seriously interested in physics because I wanted to understand how to make my Dad's Austin maxi quicker... (a lost cause it turns out! :)

 
While I'm on my hobby-horse, there's also this consolation...

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-zero-emission-vehicles/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-zero-emission-vehicles

its about "zero emission vehicles" but it completely ignores the possibility of investing in e-fuel (zero-net emission petrol). This would require no modification to existing infrastructure. Technologically, e-fuels are very real but government investment is needed to scale up production from research levels to consumer scale.

Some info on e-fuel: [link]https://www.efuel-alliance.eu/efuels[/url]

unfortunately, the consultation does not allow you to question the whole electric car band-waggon...

(relevance to this post: you won't need to replace your flat six with the electric motor off a Taycan... that wouldn't be allowed by "anti-tampering" legisation)

 
Hi Richard, thanks for raising this important point. The further depletion of the UK engineering knowledge and skills base is another inevitable consequence of this legislation and, IMHO, should be of concern to everyone, not just those involved in the automotive industry.

The link to another related but, to my knowledge, similarly poorly publicised consultation is welcome too. I've submitted a response and used the free text boxes to stress the point about investing in production, at scale, of net zero emissions fuels - a project close to the heart of Porsche. These fuels will allow the continued use of ICE cars, alongside electric vehicles, without adding to the overall carbon content of the atmosphere. They are one of the most likely to be successful means for continued use and enjoyment of our current cars and their aural delights.

John

 
For all Porsche owners who are concerned about the government's current proposals to outlaw future alterations to your car, termed 'tampering' by official documents, using aftermarket parts, eg air filters and exhausts for environmental reasons, brake discs and pads for safety reasons, which will decimate the aftermarket parts industry and denude our country of even more automotive engineering skills, you might wish to consider signing the official petition against the proposals, which can be found at

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954

There are already over 100 000 signatures recorded on the petition. However, the greater the number of signatories the more notice ministers will take of the disquiet the proposals are generating.

If you decide to sign please remember to click the link which will be sent to you by email, otherwise your signature will not count.

Drive safe.

John

 
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