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Anyone have thoughts / opinions on the following - I have just purchsed an '84 coupe, with full history, receipts etc., and 80,000 miles. The car is in excellent condition, but, has had no less than 2 gearbox rebuilds (last one under 1000 miles ago), and one replacement. The car has not been raced or track day'd, so the heavy handed option is out, which leaves me completely baffled, and the previous owner could shed no light either.
 
Sounds like you have documentation with your car, why not contact the last garage that did the rebuild and ask why?

I have been told that during the nineties, independent Porsche garages were undertaking gearbox rebuilds with other than OE parts...and in hindsight, the synchros etc havent lasted as they should....I believe now that most rebuilds have reverted to Porsche parts.

More to the point, are you happy with the car now??
 
Good idea Alan, I'll contact the last builder and see if they recollect anything out of the ordinary with the rebuild or previous condition. Car drives like a bird, and I'm very pleased to have one again (had a Carrera Targa about 6 years ago)
 
Hi Rod
I'd definitly go along with what Alan has advised you, when I first bought my 911, nearly ten years ago now, I was a little concerned about the notchiness of the 'box and the occasional reluctance to engage certain selected gears. But I soon grew used to the 915 gearbox foibles, and although when 'pressing on' you would actually like to just ram it into the next gear you simply cant, you have to gently 'feed' it in, which to be honest can be a little wearing at times. (sorry, got a bit carried away)
Getting back to your point, I treated my 1985 Model 911 to a 12000 mile service at Camtune in Godalming, Surrey in September last year and I expressed my concern about my gearbox being a bit 'difficult' only to be told that mine was one of the best that they have driven lately considering the amount of miles my car has done which is about 136000+, both engine and gearbox are un-rebuilt or original, so when your car has had 2 gearbox rebuilds at that low milage you have to ask questions, because they are clearly capable of milages far in excess of what your 911 has done.
Sorry if I haven't been much of a help I'm just trying to give you a persperpective of what these gearboxes generally seem to be up to mileage wise!
It makes you wonder if there is something more sinister going on, like is the gearbox in proper allignment with the engine etc, If the allignment isn't correct could this cause rapid wear on the gearbox bearings?
Its probably none of these things but it can't just be bad luck, can it?
Please keep us informed!
Cheers
Glenn Martin


911 Carrera Targa Sport[:D]


 
Greetings
Interesting point the ol' 915 box. I've got an '85 coupe which has just crept over 123k and the box and engine are in original condition! Although both are a little worn the car still makes good progress (your honour).
As Glenn has already mentioned the stick does need a gentle touch and patience most of the time, and first gear can be a bitch if you have to start again uphill! I suppose a complete rebuild will be due soon....... maybe next year.
What would be a good idea (perhaps) if we all got together and drove each others cars for a true comparison... any takers?
First to JOHN O'GROATS gets free beer!!
Alex Kovac (alias Signor)
 
Hi Alex,

Funny you should mention the other driver opinion.... I've been thinking recently about how helpful it would be for an experienced 3.2 owner to drive mine and tell me how it drives compared to how it should drive, including how the gear change feels. I'd been used to the modern gearboxes before I bought my 3.2 and the first thing I thought as I was driving it home was "Is this really how tricky the gearbox in one of these is supposed to be?!" I'm getting used to it but I do still wonder if it's really supposed to be like it is or whether I still haven't discovered the right technique...

I'm sure there is a right way to change gear with the 915 that makes it relatively easy, or at least 'right' in feel. I've already discovered that blipping the accelerator when changing (especially down into 1st) to take the engine speed into the right rev range makes a world of difference but generally I feel that I haven't quite 'got it' sussed overall!

The most difficult gear for me is changing up from 2nd to 3rd - it's a daily thing for me to get the stick into neutral and then hunt around for a few seconds trying to find where 3rd is. It seems quite wobbly and loose in neutral, but I don't know if that's a characteristic of the 915 box. Tearing off from first and a high change into 2nd is fine, but then I have the "now, where is 3rd?!" confusion, often pushing against the edges of the gate and sometimes even almost into 1st again because I get lost (there IS a lot of free movement in neutral on my box at least)... though I've not done it yet. [&:]

Is all of this common to the 915 gearbox for other owners?? My car has been in for a check-over when I bought it last year including a road test, a full service later, and nothing was mentioned about it and I forgot to ask, so I presumed it is how it's supposed to be or at least not significantly out of the norm.

John
 
John,

Sounds like your linkage is out of adjustment, bushes worn or the springs holding the gate in place are missing / broken / gone weak... maybe all three...I also suffered from the 3rd gear lottery, and when I stripped the mechanism found one of the springs was missing so essentially there was no gate for third/fourth. You just had to push it forward at the correct place, no chance!

After fixing the springs I also replaced all the bushes at the lever and at the coupling and then followed the adjustment procedure below. All done in a lunch hour and cost of about £25 from Roger Bray for the bushes. With worn bushes I couldn't get enough forward movement to fully engage 3rd, 1st and 5th, and then still get 2nd and 4th. Now it's transformed, you get the gear you go for every time! I'm currently rebuilding it but that's only to fix a very noisy third and a couple of weak synchros.

Good luck! 915 boxes don't have to be a pain.[;)]

<Borrowed from Pelican Parts Tech Info pages, also to be found in the Haynes manual>

Follow the factory shifter adjustment procedure. It is as follows:

a) Take off the cover between the rear seats which exposes the shift coupler. Pull up the shifter boot, particularly so you can see the lower part of the shifter lever where it bends from "angled back" to more vertical.

b) Loosen the retaining bolt which pinches the shift rod on to the spline on the shift coupler. Let it be very loose.

c) WITH THE TRANSMISSION IN NEUTRAL, rotate the shift coupler clockwise when viewed towards the front of the car. You should be able to feel the coupler rub against the various shift stops as you rotate it back and forth. Rotate it to the furthest clockwise position, as seen when you are facing forward. Don't pretend you are Tarzan and turn it with huge force....lightly is all that is necessary..

d) Keep your hand on it and hold it there. Don't let it wiggle, if it does, turn it back to the furthest clockwise position.

e) Move the shift lever so that the more vertical part of the lever is vertical (ie 90 degrees to the level...sticking straight up so to speak). Move it so that it lightly touches the side of the shifter housing which is on the 1st/2nd gear side.....closest to the driver. Again, gently.

f) They should now be properly aligned.....lever closest to the driver with bottom part vertical, coupler clockwise in the neutral plane.

g) Carefully tighten the pinch bolt. Make sure it is quite tight.

h) Check things out. You must be able to engage reverse clash free (give the gear a little bit of time to stop after you stomp on the clutch), shifting should get to all the gears easily when driving.....things don't work as smoothly when stopped and lastly, there must be a little bit of rotational play when 5th gear is selected. This is checked by shifting into 5th, and feeling whether you can wiggle the shift coupler with your hand. It should just click back and forth slightly...not much, but clearly discernable play.

i) Assuming all is well, put all the covers back. If it is not well....my fervent suggestion is that you START OVER at b. ....I have never had any luck fiddling with the linkage.
 
I had a similar problem with my 915 box two months back. Unable to find reverse or 3rd. gears. Replaced the shift coupling in rear part of centre tunnel - readjusted everything as per Bentleys manual and box is now smooth once again with less free movement when in neutral.
915 box needs some getting used to and the odd 'blip'on the throttle at times does help.
Cheers,
Gordon
 
Greetings John
I see your in Watford, well there's a thing. I live in Northwood! Perhaps a 1/2 hour "stick wiggling" comparison test might be in order?
When I had my car checked over by JZ up in K.L. last December, they didn't mention anything about the box. I therefore assumed it was in standard nick [:)], but unfortunately I couldn't get to speak to the actual driver for a first hand opinion.
Anyway, if your up for it let me know. 07956 699 911
Nobody for JOHN O'GROATS then?
Cheers
Alex Kovac (alias Signor)
 

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