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Gen 2 Cayman S test drive ...WOW!

John H

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I spent an hour or so and 50 miles alone in a Gen 2 Cayman S yesterday. It was a clear dry sunny day, and I had the back roads of rural East Lothian outside Edinburgh all to myself. The car was a fairly simply specced manual car, with no PASM, no LSD, 19" star shaped wheels and Michelin tyres.

Thank you Edinburgh OPC ... it was a brilliant test drive, a real eye opener.

The first thing I noticed was the improvement in ride. Gone is that sharp edged jiggle over broken urban roads that afflicts my 17" shod 2.7 car. It felt MUCH more supple, and indeed almost changes the nature of the car, in that it now feels more sophisticated and grown up. Nor has this been at the expense of handling, as the steering is as good as ever, and somehow it seems to suit the bigger wheels and tyres better than it used to. This is harder to explain, but I never liked the gen 1 cars with the larger wheels, it was as if they "swamped" the chassis feel for me, but in this car it all feels more integrated. At speed, on give and take roads, this is the most trustable, benign chassis I have ever driven. I drove a gen 2 997 Carrera S with PDK down these same roads last year, and the Cayman is just streets ahead in overall feel.

The second thing is the engine ... it is astonishing. Quiet and docile and very easy to drive around town, lovely linear throttle response, and it absolutely spears for the horizon when you open the taps, and it sounds every bit as good as my sweet little 2.7. It is hard to imagine ever needing more pace in a road car than this delivers. I did an overtake in 3rd gear at one point and I was amazed at how quickly it picked up and shot past the slower car. I have ridden motorbikes that would have been slower. Sure you can never have enough power on the track, but I think there is a point at which too much power in a road car just unbalances the equation. I drove a friends 997 GT3 last year, and I felt it was too fast, too manic for road use, not to mention the chassis was a real handfull on bumpy roads. This new Cayman S is superbly balanced; power, grip, brakes, etc are beautifully matched to make a true pocket rocket.

The changes may well be subtle, but they seem to add up to more than the sum of their parts, and I was surprised at just how different the car felt. The "pre-fill" brake system is brilliant, the revised touch screen sat nav and mapping is the first factory fit item I've tried that I would consider paying money for, I much prefer the black finish centre console, the new 19" star shaped wheels are the best new design in ages, and the build quality seems to improved a bit. Now that I think about it, I do not recall hearing the dreaded "trunk clunk" (as the Colonials call it) either.

I would go so far as to say this is the best car I have ever driven ... period!

[;)]

PS ... just a shame that depreciation on my 2 year old Cayman has been so Draconian that contemplating an upgrade is out of the question. [:mad:]
 
Good write-up John Shame about the PS (I thought I'd guessed the end of the story - but was wrong!)[:(]
 
ORIGINAL: Mark Elder Shame about the PS (I thought I'd guessed the end of the story - but was wrong!)[:(]
I bought my Cayman knowing full well it would depreciate, and it was always my intention to keep it for 10 years, so it wouldn't matter. As I'm not about to sell it, I guess it still doesn't matter, but it still grates at just how little it is now worth, especially as it still looks, smells and drives like the day I bought it. [:mad:] I have yet to try the real potential replacement for my car, the 2.9 version (roll on Silverstone [:D]) so I'll reserve final judgement. You will gather from what I have written though that I was surprised at just how much of an improvement has been achieved, without sacrificing the inherent feel of the car. Nice one Porsche! [;)]
 
That's a good wee write up John. I'm glad normal mortals can see and feel the difference in the Gen 2 Cayman. I sometimes worry when journo's get a bit 'floral' with their prasie on a new car, you never know if they've been plied with some freebies or the threat of never getting in a manufacturers car again. I'll have to give Aberdeen OPC a visit when I'm home to get a shottie.
 
ORIGINAL: mikec I sometimes worry when journo's get a bit 'floral' with their prasie on a new car,
I know exactly what you mean, and I was getting a bit suspicious that every test I read of the new Cayman S was virtually identical in its praise and conclusions, the more so as they had all been a bit half hearted about the car first time round. The differences are small, but very noticeable ... I think you'll be impressed. [;)]
 
PS ... just a shame that depreciation on my 2 year old Cayman has been so Draconian that contemplating an upgrade is out of the question.
This could be a problem for Porsche as many of us are so loyal to the brand. However the cost to change when buying new is now so large, many will keep the car they have. Maybe that will cause a shortage of used cars. I know my dealer is struggling to source the right stock Interesting times for sure [8|]
 
If they are struggling to find stock they must be bidding too low. If there is a £30,000 cost to replace gen1 with gen2, could someone please tell me which numbers to choose on Saturday?
 
"PS ... just a shame that depreciation on my 2 year old Cayman has been so Draconian that contemplating an upgrade is out of the question. [:mad:] " i specced my cayman gen 2 s last night and ended up quite easily at £54K with p/ex of 24k max i am left with 30k to change out of my car which like yours feels and indeed is as fresh as a daisy.am i going to order a gen 2-NO WAY!!in a few yrs definately ,but not for the foreseeable with current figures.may change my mind after silverstone of course!!
 
How come fiscal depreciation bears no resemblance to physical deterioration? How long is the likely service life of a modern Porsche? 10 years? ... no problem, 20 years? ... very probable. There are lots of well maintained 20 year old Porsches out there still running perfectly. So if the car itself wears and deteriorates slowly over a span of several decades, why the hell should the value half in the first two years. Crazy. [:mad:]
 
ORIGINAL: dyllan "PS ... just a shame that depreciation on my 2 year old Cayman has been so Draconian that contemplating an upgrade is out of the question. [:mad:] " i specced my cayman gen 2 s last night and ended up quite easily at £54K with p/ex of 24k max i am left with 30k to change out of my car which like yours feels and indeed is as fresh as a daisy.am i going to order a gen 2-NO WAY!!in a few yrs definately ,but not for the foreseeable with current figures.may change my mind after silverstone of course!!
I thought I was being hard done by when offered £20k (no arm twisting as it was just a conversation) for £42K's worth when new March 05 987 S Specced up a new Gen 11 and came out at £48k so my car + £28k = Gen 11 or my car + 40k = 09 Plated 4.3l Aston Martin Vantage Roadster with a healthy 40K discount and choice of several cars currently still unsold [;)] Favourite route right now is having my Boxster's 4th year service next month and then enjoying the old girl whilst the world continues to melt down and who knows a 59 plate 4.7l AMV Roadster late summer[:eek:]
 
This thread highlights the problem perfectly I think. The second hand car market is falling off a cliff but the dealers (especially prestige ones like Porsche) are not moving their prices accordingly. So the gap widens ever further on the cost to trade in. So the market stagnates...so the second hand prices drop...so Porsche lose money wrapped up in slow-moving inventory and on we go. Porsche need to wake up fairly quickly on this I'd have thought. The natural market forces are at least working in the second hand arena where you can get some amazing bargains. Bad news for car depreciation of course and bad news for Porsche and others who are understandably reluctant to face the realities. Similar to the housing market - the sellers need to drop prices to allow transactuions to start up again. Just nobody wins when there is no movement. So here I sit sobbing over the money I'm losing by the day in depreciation and waiting for the price of new cars to fall and thereby adding to the stagnation. Here's hoping theyll introduce a loss-leader pricing structure on the new Gen II [;)] Though I suspect their argument is that the rich are still getting richer - would be interesting to know how badly they are getting hit - I heard a general decline in new car sales of 30% for the new plate. In the meantime let's blame the only peple who can now afford a new Porsche using their bonuses and pensions - the Bankers! Grab yer pitchforks lads! [:D]
 
ORIGINAL: TheGrimmestReaper This thread highlights the problem perfectly I think. The second hand car market is falling off a cliff but the dealers (especially prestige ones like Porsche) are not moving their prices accordingly.
How much more can these bargains be moved before they will sell![;)] Even with 3 more years of hell they would probably be worth £35K +++ when the warranty runs out Immediate delivery on New 09 registration in March New 4.3 litre Aston Martin V8 Vantage Coupe Manual (pictures attached) Toro Red Metallic Paint / Obsidian Black Leather Contrast Red Stitching, Piano Black Veneer, Brake Calipers Black Auto Dimming Mirror, Front Wheel Stone Guards, Premium Audio Satellite Navigation, Bluetooth Telephone, Battery Conditioner Heated Front Seats, Heated Front Screen, Sports Pack Alloy Wheels, N400 Body Styling, Powerfold Mirrors, Memory Seats, Xenon Headlamps Previously On the Road Price: £95,905.82 Now: £66,000.00 New 4.3 litre Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster Sportshift Onyx Black Metallic Paint / Obsidian Black & Cream Truffle Leather Piano Black Veneer, Brake Calipers Black, Front Wheel Stone Guards Auto Dimming Mirror, Heated Front Seats, 19" Alloy Wheel Upgrade Satellite Navigation, Bright Finish Grille, Battery Conditioner Wind Deflector, Powerfold Mirrors, Bluetooth Telephone High Spec Alarm, Premium Audio, Xenon Headlamps Previously On the Road Price: £101,980.82 Now: £65,000.00 New 4.3 litre Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster Manual Onyx Black Metallic Paint / Obsidian Black Leather Contrast Grey Stitching, Piano Black Veneer, Brake Calipers Black Front Wheel Stone Guards, Umbrella & Holder, 19" Alloy Wheel Upgrade Satellite Navigation, First Aid Kit, Wind Deflector, Powerfold Mirrors Bluetooth Telephone, High Spec Alarm, Cruise Control Memory Seats & Mirrors, Xenon Headlamps Previously On the Road Price: £97,604.87 Now £62,000.00
 
ORIGINAL: TheGrimmestReaper Wow - around 30% price reductions. So that makes my new Gen II around £38k - now we're talking!
Nearer 36% on the Roadsters actually [:D]
 

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