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Goodbye; a sad tale!

OK1904

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At the age of 55 I fulfilled a lifelong ambition to own a new 911. I ordered my pride and joy, a 997 C2S, having researched all the factory options I required. These may not appeal to everyone, but I wanted/needed a manual car, sunroof, heated memory seats, m/f steering wheel and phone module. The 997 was to be my second car with the intention to use it more and more, thus retiring the first (a Mercedes E-Class) car when mileage dictated. I took delivery in March 2006 and about now (September 2007) was the time to retire the Mercedes. From day one it was apparent the phone module wasn't working correctly. Unlike the device in the Mercedes the incoming clarity was dreadful and the person on the other end could hardly hear me. As most of my calls are business/client related, poor reception is not acceptable. In the 18 months since delivery I have been in touch with my dealer and with Porsche GB no less than 23 times about this issue. To be fair the dealer has been nothing but cooperative and has tried to help, but my e-mails and calls to Porsche GB have all resulted in the same basic reply: "We know there is a problem but we don't know when it can be fixed. Sorry for the inconvenience". I even wrote to the MD Andy Goss and he passed my e-mail to Customer Assistance who said "We know there is a problem but we don't know when it can be fixed. Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll have the dealer call you when we have some news". This was 3 months ago.

I am now 57. I need a remote phone that works and do not want a Bluetooth earpiece. In my case Porsche GB is not interested in genuine customer relations or customer satisfaction, not even offering a refund for the module 666 that I paid for and is not fit for purpose. The lack of concern, probably more than the lack of a phone module, has destroyed my enjoyment of the car. I believe the dealers are frustrated by Porsche GB's lack of concern and customer care, and perhaps even Porsche GB are frustrated by the lack of support from Germany. Whatever feature you choose for your car it should work, especially when the car is at this level of "sophistication". If they had at least tried to offer an alternative aftermarket solution I might have been interested, but no. It was my problem and I had to live with it.

Everything else about the car is superb, but I now understand that the facelifted car WILL have a phone module that works and there is possibly no upgrade for the existing model. This was enough to make me realise I had bought the wrong car so I've sold it.

Now I realise that the car of my dreams was just that. I wanted to be a Porsche 911 owner and in my opinion Porsche GB are only interested in people like me BEFORE they have purchased the car. After that you're on your own.

I am leaving the Porsche Club GB as well. I enjoyed communication with you all and meeting up on the drive and dine Cotswold experience. I've just ordered a new Jaguar and have already been offered a visit to see the build line. Jaguar Customer Support have called me to discuss my queries, the Operations Director no less has talked to me about ownership and support and I'm already enjoying the experience! I don't chop and change readily, despite the impression I might give, and was intending to be a Porsche owner for the rest of my days. Jaguar (Ford or whoever) may be the answer. Mercedes also have an excellent customer support centre in MK and was close to buying another one, but the deal I've got on the Jaguar is stunning. Considering the depreciation though it needed to be. I'll keep in touch.
 
I have to say that the phone module works pretty well on mine (GT3), and on my wife's 987S.

On my previous 996 I had a 'bluetooth' aftermarket system fitted for £200 and that was also very good. It used the front speakers, no ear piece. So, perhaps there is a solution.
 
I agree with everything OK1904 has written. Porsche GB don't care and fob everyone off onto the dealers. It was exactly the same story with the TMC.



 
I too very much agree with what has been said, however I would not sell the car that has been my lifelong dream just on that basis. There are solutions to the phone thing, Tom tom stuff works well and third party stuff. I know you shouldnt have to do it, and I know it is infuriating to have such a problem on such an expensive car that no one seems to care about, but like I said big big call to sell your dream car just because of it..each to their own
 
ORIGINAL: Chris5150

... and I know it is infuriating to have such a problem on such an expensive car that no one seems to care about, but like I said big big call to sell your dream car just because of it..each to their own

Well, I still think it's a hard car to replace and I'm holding onto mine for the time being and may even buy the facelift. That said, Porsche GB's response is diasppointing and hasn't encouraged me to be loyal to the brand. It's a shame because, before I experienced the lack of customer care, I thought I would be in Porsches for the next twenty years easy. Needless to say, I no longer feel that way.
 
ORIGINAL: Sunil

I agree with everything OK1904 has written. Porsche GB don't care and fob everyone off onto the dealers. It was exactly the same story with the TMC.
Don't get me started on that subject again! Item as delivered was not as advertised, poor functionality and very poor value. Response from Porsche AG "Read the small print regarding regional variations in specification"[:mad:]
It seems that the sale of goods act with respect to " fit for purpose" does not apply to Sat nav, phones and PCCB (earlier versions at least) to name some of the well known issues.
 
Sorry to hear of your difficulties. Like everyone else I'm suprised that a company like Porsche can't sort a problem like this that affects so many customers. Pleasure to meet you on the Cotswold drive - great photographs!
Andy
 
Shame that what starts out as a lifelong ambition fulfilled becomes a cause for anger and frustration. Hopefully someone will make Porsche marketing people aware of the ill will that is generated by their perceived lack of customer care and they react accordingly.

I agree that Jaguar does know how to make their customers feel special. A few years ago I had two day, expenses paid trip to the Nürburgring F1 circuit to test drive XKs and XKRs and had a great time. Unfortunately my experience of Jaguar's reliability failed to match this, in just three years and 18k miles I had problems with gearbox leaking oil, the torque converter failed, a new steering rack had to be fitted, the electric seat memory had to be replaced, a problem with the automatic hunting between second and third gear several times/second when cold was never resolved and the boot release solenoid needed attention. In comparison the 12 months, 8,500 miles, in my C2S has been relatively trouble free with just a minor problem with the passenger door mirror, I'm also fortunate in that my phone works well, even at speed and with high ambient noise.
 
This is incredibly tragic!

I myself would never give up a Porsche 911 for the sake of an option that probably shouldn't be in a street tailored race car in the first place. I consider the 911 a race car first and a GT car second, not the other way around.

I too have the 666 option (appropriately numbered). Yes the quality isn't great but I only use it occasionally and certainly not for work purposes. For work I always use my work blackberry with a hands-free connection cord. Easy and more straight forward to claim the expenses back on!

I think the worse thing though is not the car problems but Porsche's general attitude to existing customers. I have been lucky thus far and had no real issues. However, after all the horror stories, I know it's only a matter of time before I find myself in same boat.

I wish you luck with your new Jaguar
 
ORIGINAL: Alex L

This is incredibly tragic!

I myself would never give up a Porsche 911 for the sake of an option

I myself would never give up a Porsche 911.....FOR A JAG!?
 
ORIGINAL: nsm3
I myself would never give up a Porsche 911.....FOR A JAG!?

I agree. There's no way I'd give up Porsche for anything Jaguar currently produces. I would however give it up for the right car by:

  • BMW - shame about the new M3. We'll just have to wait and see how they do the CSL and Z9.
  • Mercedes - new SLS possibly?
  • Ferrari - 430 is due to be replaced and Scudeira is too raw for the road. 612 drops in value like a ton of bricks and the 599 has a 2 year waiting list. Dino? http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evospyshots/209995/ferrari_dino.html
  • Maserati - Granturismo is beautiful but is all GT and not enough go. Gransport version should be an improvement and is out in a year.
I'm kinda curious about the Lexus LF-A but in the same way as I was about the Audi R8. I'm interested but doubt I would ever buy one.

At the end of the day, this thread is more about customer care than about the product. It's such a shame but Porsche will only do something about it when they have to start working to sell their cars rather than have them flying off the forecourt. Fortunately, more manufacturers are targeting the 911 and that can only be a good thing in terms of customer care and the product itself. As I said before, I'm not loyal to the brand and would be happy to change if I find another car that suits my wants rather than just meeting my needs.
 
It is indeed a sad tale.

I can't believe someone would give up a 911 because the phone quality is poor.

That aside its shamefull that they won't even refund the option cost when they themselves admit the phone option does not work properly in your car.

I hope the Jag meets your needs better and you have a good experience.

Good luck
 
ORIGINAL: Gary C

It is indeed a sad tale.

I can't believe someone would give up a 911 because the phone quality is poor.

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I agree, but anyone considering a new 997 needs to read this and then tell the sales guy why they are not ordering the hot commission items of phone module and sat nav etc.

They are clearly a waste of money. Any good car audio company can perfectly fit excellent after martet kit that works much better and costs a lot less.

 
ORIGINAL: nsm3

ORIGINAL: Alex L

This is incredibly tragic!

I myself would never give up a Porsche 911 for the sake of an option

I myself would never give up a Porsche 911.....FOR A JAG!?
Now that Porsche AG makes so many cars, they need to sell them to all sorts of people, some of whom may not be real enthusiasts.
I imagine that you see many Porsches in golf club car parks now[:-]
 
IMHO Porsche are no worse than any other dealer. As I've posted elswhere, my experience is that they all fall short when you have a problem. Sure you'll hear tales of problems being resolved magnificently but most satisfied owners are the ones who don't have the problems in the first place and never need the service.


For me I wouldn't go near a MB after my experience of the marque. Lousy car, lousy service, lousy response. But that's just me.
 
ORIGINAL: Sunil

I agree with everything OK1904 has written. Porsche GB don't care and fob everyone off onto the dealers. It was exactly the same story with the TMC.

Totally agree and one day hopefully Mr Goss and Porche GB dreadful customer services standards will backfire all over them.
 
I've got the same problem with my 997T, this is my every day car and I can't make hands free calls on the move because the other person cannot hear me.

Don't blame the dealers for this, it's a problem with Porsche, they have known about it for sometime now and have not come up with a fix, it's very poor, they have charged a good price for the phone module, it does not work and they don't appear to care.
 
ORIGINAL: Ken993T

I've got the same problem with my 997T, this is my every day car and I can't make hands free calls on the move because the other person cannot hear me.

Don't blame the dealers for this, it's a problem with Porsche, they have known about it for sometime now and have not come up with a fix, it's very poor, they have charged a good price for the phone module, it does not work and they don't appear to care.

A slight aside, or a complete tangent, I'm not sure, but it always amazes me that the sunroof on the 996 was well known for being poorly engineered what with the resonance (prob not right word but you know what I mean, sound waves & turbulence, whatever, that makes it loud and uncomfortable over 30mph), and I naively assumed that it would have been sorted on the 997. Imagine my surprise when I bought a 997 with a sunroof and found out it wasn't! Oh, how I laughed. Complete waste of money.
 
A sad tale and even worse to think it ruined the enjoyment of the car, I'm lucky that my phone works fine(at the moment) but I know a lot of others don't [:(]
It was discussed at the reading meeting and as pointed out it come back with the usual line...

I can understand how what we may see as trivial can ruin the whole experience of ownership and I hope the Jaguar offers that which the Porsche could not...[:eek:]

It is annoying the way we are treated over the phone and the TMC situation, with the numbers of cars Porsche are selling not everyone will be enthusiasts, but as I'm sure we've all been told by the OPC, "Sir if you don't buy it, the next person will"...[:'(], well surprise Mr OPC things may be changing.....

I was aware of one owner that the OPC actually fit a secondary phone kit into the car as they couldn't get the phone kit to work...
They happily continue to sell option 666 knowing full well that there are serious issues with it [&:][8|] !!!!

garyw
 

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