GT4RS

[daro911]

After the GT2 RS, the next GT model will be a Cayman GT4 RS, complete with a 4.0-litre engine. So fast is the current four-cylinder Cayman S that Porsche officials privately concede that, if shod with an equivalent tyre, it would be as quick around the Nürburgring as the existing Cayman GT4, so a big performance leap is expected.

Clearly it won’t have the full 500bhp-plus provided to the new GT3, but expect an output of at least 430bhp, a clear 50bhp rise over the Cayman GT4 and more than enough to establish a clear performance margin to lesser, non-GT Cayman models.

www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/98318/porsche-cayman-gt4-rs-on-the-cards
http://www.autocar.co.uk/...-litre-flat-six-engine

 

[MrDemon]

They have never been right in anything.

 

[Andy Fagan]

Personally I think that they will put the engine and gearbox the correct way round in 911's and develop them further. They may have to extend them a tad to stay "4" seater but the new 911 race car could be a standard [] and an insight into things to come [] [:-]

 

[ralphmusic]

The 981RS turned out to be the Clubsport race version. I guess this RS story is again the 718 race version which I believe will be turbo because the NA version is not that competitive.

New GT4 class cars for 2017 include Mercedes AMG GT4, McLaren 570S GT4, Mustang GT4, maybe R8 amongst others, making the 981 Clubsport look a bit weak.

 

[terry993]

Oh so many rumours still all this conjecture does make it all very interesting and the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

 

[oliver]

I very much doubt if there will be a GT4'RS' - but I'd expect a GT4 4-pot turbo in the next few years.

 

[Brian_Innes]

Such as a 982 "R" maybe?

I've a distinct feeling Porsche are gradually realising that they may have painted themselves into a corner here.

So capable is the 982 CS, particularly in PDK Sport Chrono spec, plus the optional wider wheels, that when the 982 GTS comes along, a N/A GT4 is going to be struggling to stay meaningfully ahead in the dynamic performance stakes.

There are also too many Cayman variations already, e.g. GT4, GT4 Club Sport, and now a rumoured GT4 RS. If it were me, I would rename the rumoured GTS the new "R".

So, a new 982 version of the Cayman R along the same lines as the previous 987 using the existing 4 pot turbo and PDK power boosted to 400 bhp would be a good fit surely.

Leaving the GT4 RS N/A for now at 450 - 480 bhp and with PDK Sport Chrono as standard, would keep the GT4 model honest for the flat-six track day market.

Quite where all of this fits with developing the mid-engined 911 is where I think Porsche painting themselves into corners comes in.............

Brian

 

[MrDemon]

It is hard , but GT cars have never been "fast" cars when you look at real fast cars so to speak.

A basic 991 CS now laps faster than any past GT3 as an example even a 997.2 RS and they are £200k and the last manual GT3 !

My R still drives nicer than my GT4 looking at it from a driver point of view, even though the GT4 is king atm and wins every thing, for feel the R wins ! and feel is king to me for a fun car. I owned Lotus for 5 years and I lust for that feel, but to old to get in and out of them.

the GT4 is also not a "fast" car my mates older NA V8 M3 out drags me lol

the 982 GTS will **** all over a GT4 !

we also know a 911 Turbo S laps faster than any other Porsche with road tyres let alone cup 2's !!!

so if you want to win at track days you buy a 911 Turbo anyway !

we buy GT cars for that extra feel and input one has to give to it to drive it, hence quite a lot of people want the next GT3 to OFFER A MANUAL.

A PDK GT3 to me seem pointless ! but Porsche also have to win at track day for the mags !!!

If you want a modern style drivers car the R is still the best one to own for road use, nothing new feels as good, faster yes but as good no.

the Cayman R will be that 964 RS in 30 years time imo and the 964 boys love them which speaks volumes of the feel of the things.

A PDK GT4, NO THANKS !!! a 3.8 x51 430 BHP GT4, with the 911R gear box yes please, keeps it way below GT3 levels and still 3.8.

the new GT3 4.0 with a manual also yes please, I'll believe it when I see it though, too much hype atm as normal with forums and mags posting rumors for click bait.

GT4 Turbo, you can keep that one lol I'll switch to a Lotus Evora 400 for £58k and put up with a few build niggles.

 

[spyderwhite]

If you want a modern style drivers car the R is still the best one to own for road use, nothing new feels as good,

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Nah that belongs to the 987 spyder! You know how I feel about the CR it's not special enough over a regular CS (Porsche should have called it a 987 Gts)and it ain't no 964rs , I always see it priced above a regular cs bit like a 981 Gts to a 981s especially as the years go by and the miles pile on whereas the 987 spyder is another story!

 

[MrDemon]

It's better than a 964 RS, have you driven one ?, not very nice at all imo a real bone shaker and unloved till this ££ madness, the 987.2 Spyder not really usable 100% all year round and is bloody noisy.

So the R still Wins imo. a coupe will always win over a soft top as a driver car just because it's a load stiffer.

 

[Steve Brookes]

Nah that belongs to the 987 spyder! You know how I feel about the CR it's not special enough over a regular CS (Porsche should have called it a 987 Gts)and it ain't no 964rs , I always see it priced above a regular cs bit like a 981 Gts to a 981s especially as the years go by and the miles pile on whereas the 987 spyder is another story!

Before the bonkers price increases of 964s, the 964RS always felt a little bit more special to drive than a 964C2 and was a little bit faster round a track (a C2 could be modified to go as fast but could never obtain the RS special factor). The Cayman R feels a little bit more special to drive than a Cayman S and is a little bit faster round a track. I think this is what Mr D is eluding to and is why the R has become popular with us ex 964 owners. []

 

[Brian_Innes]

I completely agree Steve.

The precision feel and "fizz" of the CR hydro steering and the firm, road-feeling poise of the CR suspension is in a class of it's very own. A good geo set up is crucial, as is the right rubber. PS2's are rubbish on the track, they go off after a couple or three of hot laps. The CR moves around a bit on the corners but with a decent wheelsmith at the helm this only adds to the joy. Bucket seats are essential to get the true feeling of connection to the track.

The only negative thing I would say about the stock CR on the track is regarding the brakes. Long pedal travel and brake fade makes itself apparent after only a handful of big stops from 100+ mph. The CR really should have had the 997GT3 brake master cylinder fitted as standard and also more resilient pads.

It's a brilliant car and the best value fun Porsche available today.

Later this year, I'll be comparing my 982 CS PDK complete with all the right track focused bits, with my much lamented CR manual. It'll be an interesting appraisal.

Brian

 

[spyder31]

when would the 718 cayman gt4, or even better, the gt4 RS likely to be released?

 

[CarreraGTS]

Interesting ... i think Cayman R is a great car, there were 2 out on Region 4 blast last sunday and they look so simple, small and useable. But don't have anything like the GT4 occasion & noise! If i was in the £45k market i would definitely go for one ... maybe even PDK ??!

Re; GT4 RS ... the more i think of it the more i think it won't be built and even if it does who will get allocation. I had my name down with OPC for 2.5 years on 991 Gen2 GT3 to be told that its now Porsche UK policy that they don't go by LOI date stamp now but by Dealer Principle say so ... but that you can't have two GT cars in a row. So no 911R / GT3 RS owners are getting the new GT3 ???! If this is indeed the case then it does give the likes of me a chance to get the next GT car whatever that may be ...?

Would be interesting to know if this is what you have been told around the network .... ?!

 

[CarreraGTS]

Also ... I would also like to add that the Cayman and Boxster GTS will become the new collectors cars in a few years time .... When i drove the GTS range at PPC two years ago the Boxster was absolutely fantastic, so light on its toes, so well balanced and useable Performance and with the roof down an incredible sound track - once the price point becomes "right" these cars will be the CR and Spyder equivalents/alternatives ... IMO []

 

[spyderwhite]

Not sure I agree with the 981gts being like/alternative to a 987 spyder maybe a little bit like a CR with the right spec. Ie sports suspension, manual and bucket Seats! The Gts in years that come will be worth perhaps 5/10% more than a 981S

i still think the 987 spyder(manual) and the Gt4 are the future classics in the range!

 

[spyder31]

Interesting ... i think Cayman R is a great car, there were 2 out on Region 4 blast last sunday and they look so simple, small and useable. But don't have anything like the GT4 occasion & noise! If i was in the £45k market i would definitely go for one ... maybe even PDK ??!

Re; GT4 RS ... the more i think of it the more i think it won't be built and even if it does who will get allocation. I had my name down with OPC for 2.5 years on 991 Gen2 GT3 to be told that its now Porsche UK policy that they don't go by LOI date stamp now but by Dealer Principle say so ... but that you can't have two GT cars in a row. So no 911R / GT3 RS owners are getting the new GT3 ???! If this is indeed the case then it does give the likes of me a chance to get the next GT car whatever that may be ...?

Would be interesting to know if this is what you have been told around the network .... ?!

My local opc said it's no longer policy to take deposits for future GT4 or spyders etc as they are not able to fulfill them. Sounded a bit of a fob off tbh.

 

[MrDemon]

All GT cars are invite only.

As for "981gts being like/alternative to a 987 spyder" lol not even close imo I would be hard pushed to buy any 981 non GT car, I really hate the steering, great car and best daily the 981 GTS but for fun no contest, only Lotus can match the 987 Spyder now.