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EllisO

EllisO

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having just bought my first aircooled 911, one of the things I'm having difficulty with is downshifts - I find it impossible to heel and toe in the 993 RS, something that is dead easy in the 996/7 cars. Anybody got any ideas? I've found this kit

http://www.rennline.com/newssection.asp?dept=538

anybody have any experience of this?

thanks

Ellis
 
Ur not alone ,when driven in anger the whole things much easier, the barke pedal being pushed hard down.....however some people build up the accelerator pedal , maybe wood covererd by an aluminium proprietary part ? Ther really isnt much adjustment on the rose jointed linkage ................
 
I like the look of those and weirdly was looking at the same thing about 30 minutes ago. I like the idea of black ones but silver will doubt wear better
 

ORIGINAL: EllisO

having just bought my first aircooled 911, one of the things I'm having difficulty with is downshifts - I find it impossible to heel and toe in the 993 RS, something that is dead easy in the 996/7 cars. Anybody got any ideas? I've found this kit

http://www.rennline.com/newssection.asp?dept=538

anybody have any experience of this?

thanks

Ellis
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Is your car RHD or LHD ?

It makes a difference [;)]
 
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Is your car RHD or LHD ?

It makes a difference [;)]
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Don't think so! I don't like the pedal arrangement even in the in the LHD for heel-toe shift and is not nearly as natural as my S2000.
 
mine is a lhd, i think if the accelerator pedal had an extension then it would feel more natural
 
Should be straightforward. I found it pretty easy in my 993. do you use the ball of your feet for both pedals or the toe on the brake and heal on the throttle?
 
toe on brake, heel on gas - just as I have in every other car. Took the GT3 out today and the pedals are perfectly setup for this. Think I'll be getting the Rennline kit done this winter
 

ORIGINAL: EllisO

Chris

it's LHD

Ellis
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Well I have a somewhat unconventional approach to this.

RHD 964RS and 993RS, I have ball of my foot on the brake and heel the accelerator.

LHD I have the heel of my foot on the brake and stretch the ball of my foot across the accelerator.

I also do this with all recent RHD cars inc 968CS, 996C4, various Boxsters, GT3 Mk 1, II and IIRS ....

Maybe this wouldn't work for racing but it has worked for me, and I'm not slow .. or rough with my cars.

 
The acc pedal can be extended up,by lengthening the rod,and a simple block of wood with grippy tape stuck on it,works very well.Then put a wider brake peddle on,so that you can brake with the ball of the foot and roll your foot to the throttle at the same time.
You can get a perfect set up this way,even porsche have done this on some factory cars,but genrally bolting another acc pedal on top of the original one.
 
Paul spot on as always , as a small detail, standard acc pedals are ok to screw into with ur Metal cover over the wood whatever u choose to build up with.....................its so easy .
 
Everybody has a different style I think, and ultimately what ever your style isdoesn't matter so long as it acheives the goal of managing revs on downshifts.

I have a 993 RS which out of the box was perfect for me and a 3.0sc which needed adjustment. The adjustment was done on the rods in the pedal box.

I have size 11 feet which helps but the 993 is spot on on the road and track. The sc better on track.

The key is a firm brake pedal which does not sink under full on and sustained attack. This gives a solid pivot and means that the pedals can be set more easily . Obviously if the brake sinks it is harder to set up.

For me if you need to add metalwork to the pedals then you have either small feet or need to look at the brakes!

Kind regards
 
ORIGINAL: paul howells

The acc pedal can be extended up,by lengthening the rod,and a simple block of wood with grippy tape stuck on it,works very well.Then put a wider brake peddle on,so that you can brake with the ball of the foot and roll your foot to the throttle at the same time.
You can get a perfect set up this way,even porsche have done this on some factory cars,but genrally bolting another acc pedal on top of the original one.
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Just checking my 964RS, this has one accelerator pedal on top of the first --- so a double pedal thickness as you suggest on this one [;)]
 
Just make sure that you try this when braking as hard as on the track.

In my CUP, I had to take away the second pedal bolted on top of the original one (by Paul?) for heel and toe.

The brake pedal was going in too deep (even with new brake fluid, pads and disks) for a comfortable roll of the right foot to the throttle.

On several occasions, I was not even able to lift my rolled foot (size 11) away from the throttle, resulting in a partial throttle opening under hard braking...


ORIGINAL: ChrisW


ORIGINAL: paul howells

The acc pedal can be extended up,by lengthening the rod,and a simple block of wood with grippy tape stuck on it,works very well.Then put a wider brake peddle on,so that you can brake with the ball of the foot and roll your foot to the throttle at the same time.
You can get a perfect set up this way,even porsche have done this on some factory cars,but genrally bolting another acc pedal on top of the original one.
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Just checking my 944RS, this has one accelerator pedal on top of the fist --- so a double pedal thickness as you suggest on this one [;)]
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Richard

the fact that I've size 6 feet probably doesn't help (although with a lot of cars it does), but it seems like alot of people have issues with this. I'd rather change the setup than try and adapt my driving technique, as I'm very happy with the way I can heel and toe in most cars

Ellis
 
Wish i had size 11 feet for the 993,but size 7 was perfect for the 906!!
Seriously brake pedal depth when truly planted,varies on the rs and cup etc,so just set it up for you!

 
Paul, this is definitely the best strategy: to buy the car that fits your shoes [:D][:D][:D]

ORIGINAL: paul howells

Wish i had size 11 feet for the 993,but size 7 was perfect for the 906!!
Seriously brake pedal depth when truly planted,varies on the rs and cup etc,so just set it up for you!
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Its common in 996 cup cars to see a block on the throttle pedal for the same reason. Paul is right, just set the pedals up to suit your personal taste
 
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