Honest opinion please

[AntB]

Hi All,

As you are more then likely aware by now I have my 944 up for sale due to personal reasons..

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=567553

What I would like your honest opinion on is the price.. Do you genuinley think I am asking too much money for it? And if you do - can I ask what price you would pitch it at, taking into account all the work it has had done, history, millage and condition etc etc etc etc.

I wont be offended - so if you think I am asking too much please say.

Thanks guys

Anthony

 

[andrew_churcher]

Anthony - looks like cracking value to me. I am surprised it hasnt sold actually. 944 market seems quite strange at the moment with nice turbos asking quite strong money but the rest seem alot weaker in comparison.

Good luck with it and I guess be flexible/reasonable if any offers are close to the asking....a bird in the hand and all.

 

[DivineE]

It is good value but almost everyone is looking for a bargain in the 944 buying game, even if that's not what they are really buying. Hell I've been guilty of it several times! If you want it to sell now put it up for £3k and say no offers on the phone (not the add). However if you can hold out, do and it will sell at that price to the right man in the end. Given three months of looking at dogs buyers tend to come round eventually and pay more.

 

[Eldavo]

I don't think it is overvalued at all. I saw a thread on Pistonheads where your car was mentioned and nobody thought it was overpriced, lots of positive comments actually. The right buyer will come along and snap your hand off.

 

[ukmastiff]

Ant, I have bigged your car up recently on this forum and elsewhere , if it is as good as it is on paper it is a very fine 2.7 indeed.

However I'd be suprised if a person came along and pad £3500, although you can never say never can you but the shrude buyer would make a better investment in an S2 or Turbo spending 3500 to 4,000 in my opinion.
Two years ago yes £3500 all day but not now.

You really can get a good S2 for £3500 now , its a bloomin shame but it's just true.
The S2 is a move on from the LUX and this is why a fantastic lux that you have lavished money on , has to lose you money selling at the mo.

I would say if you can get £3,000 at the moment it would be a fair price and again I have to reiterate I do admire your car.
The real shame is that you have done what you have done and are selling it, I'd be well chuffed if you could ( and wanted to) keep it. I will also be genuinly happy to get it wrong and you get more !

Regards Mas

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Hi Anthony,

There are two ways of looking at it. Selling anything is down to price, of course: if your car was for sale at £2.50 it'd be gone immediately, if it was for sale at £25000 it'd never sell. Somewhere in the middle is the price that it'll sell for. If yours hasn't gone yet then it's too much money, putting it VERY simplistically.

The second way to look at it is to ask how quickly you need to sell, and how much are you realistically holding out for. If someone made an offer, how much would you drop? I think people expect to haggle a lot in the current market, so never expect a full offer. If it's got to go quickly, dropping the price is going to be the only guaranteed way to move it.

If, however, it's not an urgent sale and you really want to realise it's value then I think it's just a matter of time, and publicity. The car does, from your pretty perfect advert, stand out as exceptional. There are plenty of people, both here and on Tipec, who are lurking in the background and watching the forums in order to both learn, and to see what cars are being bought and sold. Making sure the advert mentions all the relevant things, which it does, and keeping the discussion going so the car is always being talked about, will help a lot.

 

[deafasapost]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

There are plenty of people, both here and on Tipec, who are lurking in the background and watching the forums in order to both learn, and to see what cars are being bought and sold. Making sure the advert mentions all the relevant things, which it does, and keeping the discussion going so the car is always being talked about, will help a lot.

and i am one of them!!!

in all honesty, Ant, yours looks and sounds a corker!! i'm after a cab primarily, then an s2 fhc, then a turbo and then the lux. i have no idea what they are worth, any of them on the s/h market, so i'm reading and watching in anticipation what they go for, i've been told 2.5k can get a very sorted lux, 3.5k a top s2 and 6 ish a top cab in these times.
having looked at a few cars (s2's and lux's) which are being offered as ex examples are, well, quite frankly scruffy.

yours looks superb but i've no idea what you should ask for. i'll give you 2 grand and a packet of garibaldi, hows that for starters??? [] [] [] []

 

[andrew_churcher]

£3.5k for a good S2 is a lot of car for the money. Wow!

 

[pauljmcnulty]

£3.5k for a good S2 is a lot of car for the money. Wow!

You'd be VERY lucky to get a really good S2 for that, even in the present market. Possible, but not likely.

Depends, of course, on what you consider "good", but I'd rather go up a bit and get something that's had a few major bills in it's recent history. As, in fact, I did. [&:]

 

[deafasapost]

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

£3.5k for a good S2 is a lot of car for the money. Wow!

very much so, thats why i've only seen scruffy examples at 3.5k!
if there are sorted ones at 3.5k, then they must be rare as hens teeth!!!

 

[wibble]

[FONT=Arial"] I certainly would not advertise at a lower price - looks a well sorted example to me. Times are hard out there, just a matter of time when that right buyer appears.

 

[FistsOfHam]

I think the price is spot on. The problem is that whenever I see a forum post of people asking about 944s the advice always seems to be "get an S2 or Turbo" and the lux and S don't seem to get a look in despite being great cars.

 

[andrew_churcher]

Paul, I do agree in that i didnt think you could get a good un at £3.5k but if thats what people are saying then cracking car for £3.5k......i paid closer to £6k for my S2 almost a year ago now but it had had a £6k recent bill at gantspeed for major engine work plus another few £k for complete suspension rebuild. It was a sweet car. Didnt really cost me much in the 10mths i had it. Just fuel and new battery.

 

[Frenchy]

Ant,
Looks like that car of yours is worth every penny, trick is getting someone who genuinely wants one, try advertising elsewhere, PH, Classic Car.co.uk etc.
If in no rush stick with it and it will go...........loads of tat out there.
Jim.

 

[AntB]

Guys,

Well firstly thanks all very much for the kind words over the car... Its very much appreciated... Second - thanks again for the sound advice re selling it. Agree 100% with all that has been said, and it has been extremelly helpful to me.

Cheers guys - great bunch!

A

p.s. I think as Mas mentioned - i'd LOVE to keep it, but needs must and all.. Purely selling as really at the moment I have to - I certainly dont want to!

 

[pauljmcnulty]

I think the price is spot on. The problem is that whenever I see a forum post of people asking about 944s the advice always seems to be "get an S2 or Turbo" and the lux and S don't seem to get a look in despite being great cars.

Very good point, Rob. Thare's a lot to be said for a Lux over the more complicated, heavier and IMO less attractive cars. An S will sell for a lot less than an S2, yet it's a fun car and hugely undervalued.

 

[Lowtimer]

There is a lot to be said for a Lux, and if I had room for a barnful of cars then I would like to have one alongside the Turbo. But I think part of the reason for people being shy of a Lux these days is the knowledge that body repair, and ultimately restoration costs (interior too, come to that) are pretty much the same for any variant of 944, and in some cases may even be more expensive to do for an early Lux than for a late Turbo. Psychologically people find it easier to sink big chunks of money into rejuvenating a car with higher performance and a higher visible resale value. Yours of course is very tidy but of course every 944, if in everyday all-weather use, will one day it will inevitably need a lot of money spending on the bodywork.

Same reason that almost every properly restored Mark II Escort is an RS model, every restored Capri seems to be a 3.0 or a 2.8 rather than a 1.6 or 2.0, and every Mark II Jag is a 3.4 or 3.8 rather than a 2.4.

With older Porsches, of course, the game has become taking "cooking" earlier models like 2.2s and 2.4s and turning them into 2.7 RS replicas. But there you are dealing with big values all round, so there is a viable market which parys the cost of doing the work.

 

[912UK]

I think from looking about as a NEW 944 buyer..

it was from reading every thing on the net that the S2 was the car to buy there for the ones around that model are personal choice.

OK I was looking just for a cab only as that is what I wanted for the wife but looking in general at other cars as I have to say the idea of a Coupe would be nice I looked and looked and one like yours I wouldn't buy. But that is ONLY because I would be looking for abit of a small project . Your car looks and sounds like the classic turn key car and very well sorted and for that reason and that reason alone you are waiting for that buyer who wants an early 944 and one that is well sorted. They would be getting a great deal. As any S2 that needs work will soon rattle up a £1000 -£1500 bill at a work shop. So your car that might be say £500 more than an average or below average condition car is suddenly worth every penny of that £500.

No your car from looking at the market is priced to show what it is worth with the state it is in.. So it's up to you if you reduce the price to attract more buyers. Either way it looks a cracker. Good luck nice looking car..

 

[AntB]

again - thanks for the kind words.

A