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wolfie308

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For a certain project I have in mind, it would useful and interesting to get an idea of how many 944's (and 924's) are still running. Has anyone seen figures anywhere for U.K, U.S and rest of the world ? My best guess would be 30-40%
 
ORIGINAL: wolfie308

My best guess would be 30-40%

Bit harsh. Mine works entirely apart from the dashboard clock (screen bled) and a couple of the heated rear window elements have packed up. I'd say that's at least 98% still running. Maybe even 99% as they are very minor faults. I doubt you'll find many that are scoring the full 100%.


Oli. >GetsCoatAndRunsHard<

P.S. I notice I am now a "Guest of the Club". Nice touch mods, thanks. (Wonder how much longer I will be a welcome guest for with posts like this tho'. [:D] )
 
I think he meant a percentage of cars still running based on the numbers of cars produced, not the relative health of a given car. I don't know the answer though.
 
Not sure of the answer, but wasnt Porsche proudly advertising that they were the manufacturer with most cars still on the road. This was a few years mind you before the 'disposable' cars of today.
 
I think that was Land Rover's claim. That'd be before the Freelander, then. [:D][:D]

I can't help, as my records only cover current member's cars.
 
ORIGINAL: wolfie308

For a certain project I have in mind, it would useful and interesting to get an idea of how many 944's (and 924's) are still running. Has anyone seen figures anywhere for U.K, U.S and rest of the world ? My best guess would be 30-40%

A good way to check is through the figures of the DVLA on how many were registered in total between 81-92. Then see how many are currently taxed and/or SORN. This would be a fairly good way of telling.....!

See how many were permanently exported ie came here [:D]

Whether the DVLA would divulge even the numbers I dont know....!
 
It's the sort of thing that a well-written FoI* enquiry may well get out of them.

That would cost you ÂŁ10.


Oli.

* - Freedom of Information Act
 
I read somewhere that c75% of all Porsche's output is still running....it was referring to green credentials and in response to criticism of Porsche as a producer of high emmissions cars. You could apply that percentage to well known total output figures...I've seen some on one of the 944 sites (Clarke's??)

Incidentally the debate about current "scrappage" schemes in France and elsewhere tends to favour Porsche's long life philosophy....embodied energy (related to manufacturing effort) is a significant factor in anything like a house or a car. I'll get off my soap box now...

 

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

I think that was Land Rover's claim. That'd be before the Freelander, then. [:D][:D]

I can't help, as my records only cover current member's cars.
Remarkable really. My mate was a big landie fan, I say was because his Disco blew up at the weekend.
 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty
That'd be before the Freelander, then. [:D][:D]

[FONT=Arial"][FONT=verdana,geneva"]My Freelander's got more miles than my porker with 108000. And that's on a 1.8K series block (in fact, my last MOT they advised me to sell it). Bah, I'm gonna see how many miles I can get out of it, before the infamous head blows its gasket.
 
The Landie gasket was an uprated part for the K series engine.
My Father in Law has a X plate MGF. His head gasket has gone twice. We recently replaced it with the Land rover gasket, and all seems well.
Considering the car has 29k miles on it and its on its third head gasket - makes me shake.

I did tell him to get a Boxster !

 
Porsche's own data show the following as of end February 2009:

944 (early & oval dash) Manual 4594
As above Auto 529
944S 568
944S2 1298
S2 Cabriolet 641
Turbo 600
Turbo Cabriolet 78
Turbo S 58

Total 8366

I also have this broken down into Porsche dealership areas if anyone's interested?
 
Many thanks for that Mike, I think that makes interesting reading. I'm quite surprised by the lower than I'd of expected number of Turbo S's compared to the Turbo(which I take to be the 220).
 
I expect it it refers to Silverose (Turbo S) cars, i thought the figure was around 70 odd in the UK.

Turbo S cars are described as such on the DVLA V5 Document .
 
ORIGINAL: sc0tty

I would love to know how many of the 1298 S2s are still taxed and on the road.

We need to scrap and crash as many S2's as possible so that my car becomes a rare classic and it's value rises dramatically !! [:D]

Dream on.
 
Mike, thats interesting info, I was going to suggest that judging by the Breakers yards and spares on e-bay the 944 population is dwindling very fast. My guess is the sills will be the final straw, expensive to fix properly and in reality add little to its value.

I would define TurboS as '88 VIN with no sunroof. Not all were that unusual colour.

Would I be right to say 8500 cars plus say 50% more which are unknown to the data base, out of total imported from '84 to '91 - say 40k? there are only 30% of them left?

Its easy for Porsche to claim 80% of production is still on the road when they made 100k cars in 50 years then 200k cars in 2 years.[:)]

George
944t
 
ORIGINAL: sc0tty

ORIGINAL: pauly

ORIGINAL: sc0tty

I would love to know how many of the 1298 S2s are still taxed and on the road.

We need to scrap and crash as many S2's as possible so that my car becomes a rare classic and it's value rises dramatically !! [:D]

Dream on.

Cheeky muppet !!

Muppet to you too, and if you really think the S2 will be the sought after 944 in the future you are deluded.
 
944... only people that love em are those that own em.

best sporstcar bargain bar none, though i see 968s are heading towards 944 money, the 's3' can join our club ;D
 
ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Mike, thats interesting info, I was going to suggest that judging by the Breakers yards and spares on e-bay the 944 population is dwindling very fast. My guess is the sills will be the final straw, expensive to fix properly and in reality add little to its value.

I would define TurboS as '88 VIN with no sunroof. Not all were that unusual colour.

Would I be right to say 8500 cars plus say 50% more which are unknown to the data base, out of total imported from '84 to '91 - say 40k? there are only 30% of them left?

Its easy for Porsche to claim 80% of production is still on the road when they made 100k cars in 50 years then 200k cars in 2 years.[:)]

George
944t

George, I'm not sure what information Porsche rely on when compiling these records; however they don't generally do anything half-heartedly, so I would expect them to be reasonably accurate.

Since the introduction of continuous registration it has become increasingly difficult to keep any vehicle without either taxing or registering as SORN, and I doubt that there are very many left hiding away in barns. I would therefore suggest that there is actually far less than 30% capable of being classed as a complete vehicle.

I have a meeting with PCGB (Porsche Cars not Porsche Club!) next Wednesday, and will try and get more clarity about how they obtain their information. To this end, if anyone has any other questions relating to 944's that they would like me to try and find the answers to (I'm planning on trying to source a supplier of the VDO clock LCD's), let me know - I can but ask. They are generally very very helpful (they even managed to find for me what was probably the last full set of white stoneguards).
 
Mike - when I first read your figures stating Feb 2009, I assumed they were from the DVLA which would have made sense. I'm a bit puzzled that you say they are actually Porsche's own numbers - I can't see how they'd get that data apart from through the DVLA [&:]

Don't suppose you can also find the original numbers of each supplied as well? [:)]
 

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