How much is my 944 Turbo worth?

[Guest]

Hi chaps/ladies. Money is just too tight to mention, and I can't justify the 944 much longer. I've spent a lot of money getting it right, but unfortunately my hand's been forced. I now need to know a realistic price, as I am aware 944 Turbo prices go from £3k to £13k! Anyway, the details:

1988 Turbo S Option codes read: 030, 220, 288, 383, 387, 462, 490, 573, 593, 605, 946.
No sunroof
Black with linen leather
116k
FSH, specialist and Porsche.
Taxed til end of Sept
MOT til Dec
In very good condition, and a 'safe' purchase for anyone not looking to spend a lot on maintenance short order, as I had all problems found in an OPC check fixed at PorscheShop shortly after I bought the car (at a cost of £1.5k to me) Work done in short was: Cambelt change, fuel and brake pipe replacement, service.

Be aware I also had the car checked for usual 944 weak points; it has had a recent clutch, brakes checked for plate lift, the turbo checked for play, so have the seals, the gearbox has been rebuilt at 75k, no oil leak worries. The engine has oil pressure and boost as per the Titanic guide. A full alignment was also carried out, plus the rear tyres were replaced - the car has N1 Continentals all round.

The bodywork is not perfect, as it has some rust in places - by the rear no plate lights, and on the arches. Both do not warrant attention according to PorscheShop or Porsche Aberdeen however. The Turbo S wheels are the main cosmetic point of concern - they badly need refurbishing.

I'll attempt to post a few pictures of the car:



Chris.

 

[Guest]

http://www.mypicshare.com/l22oguqxpic.html

 

[Guest]

http://www.mypicshare.com/exegwzwopic.html

Pic from when I bought the car, be aware it's no longer on these wheels...

 

[John Sims]

The lack of sun roof could make it a more desirable car. It is, in effect, a Silver Rose without the nasty paintwork and interior.

However....the interior looks almost too good for a car of that age and mileage so may well not be original. This isn't necessarily an issue but might indicate the car isn't "original".

Considering all of the above the lack of sun roof is a big plus and, assuming in good condition, I would suggest you might get £8K

 

[Fen]

I'd agree with John but for the corrosion. In the arches would kill a viewing stone dead for me I'm afraid. Somewhere in the low £6ks is my punt.

PS John, can you change your name to Jihn? I type that far more readily than the silly way you spell it now.

 

[Guest]

Fen, suggest you have more to drink to correct your keyboard

Interior should be original - the option codes tie in. Interior is probably the best bit of the car. A speculative ad will go on Pistonheads soon.

 

[eastendr]

At the risk of disagreeing with Mr Sims (!!!), the sunroof is one of the most desirable features of the 944 and I would not even contemplate buying one without ...

 

[Fen]

But you're eccentric [][][][]

To be fair I'm with Jihn as are most of the track day crowd, but the road drivers prefer the sunroof. It's just a shame the non-sunroof cars are so scarce.

 

[John Sims]

Fin and I are of one accord here.

With air con the sun roof is nothing but a pain in the bum. It is a source of leaks, makes polishing the roof more difficult than it needs to be and reduces interior head room.

I further understand, after the Silverstone Classic, that off the shelf roll cages don't fit sun roof cars and have to be modified.

 

[Lemon]

I would have to agree with John and Fen that non sunroof vehicles are the most desirable.

But then I would as mine does not have one either []

 

[xenon]

If this car is worth between £6k and £8k, what's wrong with this one?

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=306982

I know the one in this thread has LSD, but why such a premium over this 1990 model?

 

[Lemon]

I am guessing the full respray and 183,000 miles will put a lot of people off.

 

[xenon]

Ah yes, didn't spot the mileage. Still looks good though if it's mechanically sound.

 

[John Sims]

Once a car is "of an age" it makes little difference if it is 16 or 18 years old.

The car in this thread might have more appeal to a 944 enthusiast as it has no sun roof and an LSD. If I had the money, and was looking for another 944, given two cars identical in every way except one didn't have a sun roof and had an LSD I'd readily pay £1000 more for the lack of sun roof and addition of an LSD.

The two cars compared aren't identical. One has low mileage (for a Turbo) and an exceptional looking interior. It is all the right colours (unless you like red) and, assuming the minimal rust as suggested, is in pretty good condition. It is worth more than the other car.

However......

As an enthusiast I appreciate the lack of sun roof and the addition of an LSD, the good interior etc. so would be willing to pay more. In the open market your average punter may neither know nor care that this car is a little bit more special than 90% of other 944 Turbos - this might well hold the price down a bit.

 

[Fen]

What Jihn said.

I'm not a massive believer in mileage and both cars claim (and I have no reason to doubt it's correct in both cases) excellent mechanical condition, but that being the case one is still quite high and the other relatively low mileage which makes a difference in the market. I also get the impression that the lower mileage one is "nicer" than the cheaper albeit that both have some cosmetic issues to address. Were the lower mileage one cosmetically perfect (or at least has no corrosion) then I think it would make closer to £8k to the right buyer. The other would achieve mid-£6k IMO if it was cosmetically good.

 

[eastendr]

ORIGINAL: John Sims

Fin and I are of one accord here.

With air con the sun roof is nothing but a pain in the bum. It is a source of leaks [remember to close it then!] , makes polishing the roof more difficult than it needs to be [what's polishing ??] and reduces interior head room [grind a flat on top of your crash helmet, or take the seat out!!].

I further understand, after the Silverstone Classic, that off the shelf roll cages don't fit sun roof cars and have to be modified.

What would Fin know anyway, Jihn ?? I still fink your both wring !!

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[Guest]

I think putting mine on ebay to find a value I'm happy with may be the answer - but are Porsche enthusiasts too wary of it as a place to buy cars?

 

[xenon]

I bought mine just recently from a Piston Heads ad., but I wouldn't worry about an eBay ad. I would inspect the car thoroughly wherever it was advertised. PH is free, too.

The only issue I would have personally with eBay is the faffing about. You would have to inspect the car before contemplating a bid which you may not win anyway. PITA.

 

[DivineE]

I personally would only ever use Piston heads to look for classics and sports cars because the cars tend to enthusiast owned. Although I know its usually a case of enthusiast owned, enthusiastically driven! I would prefer to know I'm buying a car from someone who understands it and keeps it regularly serviced. Autotrader tends to have far less of those and ebay I wouldn't touch.

However that's just my view

Regards,

Ben

 

[Fen]

I use all of them, though I use Autotrader last as it costs considerably more and used to attract those idiot canvassers (they have a fix for that now).

I have just sold my BMW and it went through the Autotrader ad - nothing from Pistonheads at all and primarily people wanting it for nothing on eBay though I did get one offer from there that was realistic. I have had 3 calls so far from Autotrader (I should take the ad down but it seems complicated to do that) and the first guy bought it for the money I wanted for it.

By contrast I sold both my 964 and my S2 cab through eBay rather than PH where both were advertised - the 964 buyer saw it on PH also but contacted me through eBay first. Basically I think you get a lot of hassle from eBay but you get a lot more exposure than on PH and you only need one person to be willing to pay fair money for it The ridiculous offers I got from eBay were met with "ha ha ha ha ha" as a response which isn't too painful to send.

Funnily enough I was chatting with someone about this yesterday and I realised I bought the BMW, the 306GTI-6, the RS6 and "the appliance" through Autotrader so maybe I should use it more readily when selling. My 964 came through PH and I have never bought a car through eBay, but I'd be willing to if I saw the right one. Lots of cars I see are advertised across all 3 as my BMW was in any case.