Interesting on ebay

[graham tompkins]

Spotted this on ebay...any guesses on the going price?...assuming genuine etc of course

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4603060423&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

 

[Yoda]

Not so sure about the Targa ..................... []

But he has some interesting stuff in his garage .... red ruf 911, yellow 911, gt40 etc .....

 

[John_Ward]

"Spotted this on ebay...any guesses on the going price?...assuming genuine etc of course"

I "bought" this car in the early summer for £10k, but then had a major falling out with the owner's agent over a chassis number discrepancy shown up by HPI check; as a consequence, the deal didn't go through.
It is a genuine Ruf factory modified car i.e. still has Porsche chassis number rather than a Ruf one.....but I still have doubts about claimed top speed!
N.B. I don't believe that this seller / owner is the same one that I was dealing with!

 

[Guest]

Interesting car, but you would have to love Targas.

I am not sure how they get 3433cc, as the 3.4 conversions are actually more like 3350cc and the 3.5 conversions are true 3500cc. Ruf typically did 3.4s with special Mahle pistons and barrels that were much like the Max Moritz conversions. This is a Motronic 3.2 (presumable rebuilt to 3.350 litres), which has not had its intake cut open and bored out so it might make 280hp, but not without cams and a nice exhaust. Not enough details to tell. A 3.4 with 964 cams, honed intake and B&B headers will make 275hp, so I think 280hp is a tad optimistic. It will never run 191mph but the description just says its geared for 191mph. Accordingly, 6th will be a massively overdriven cruising gear. It will do about 165mph flat out, probably in 5th not 6th.

If it has a 6 speed G50 trans as described, then it must be a short bellhousing trans to fit in the 1989 torsion tube. It will even then have the engine mounts moved back a little to accomodate, according to all I have read. Most people doing 6 speed conversions cut out the torsion tube and run coilovers - even in G50 cars like this one.

Its a great car for a cruiser I guess. Turbo suspension means the same torsion bars at the front and 1mm bigger at the rear, though it will have Ruf bespoke damper settings for probably Bilstein legs. It will be torquey, comfortable and long-legged. Nice big brakes, but very expensive rotors for this set-up. They are 1978-79 930 rotors, floating or non-floating, on custom zero offset mounting bells for this narrow body application. Price depends on whether the Ruf name can lift it above the "modified" discount mentality. Its not a yellowbird and the incorrect front bumper hurts initial perception. If it was a coupe in top condition, I think it might fetch over £20,000 because its punches into the market for the CS cars and even the bottom of the 964RS market. As a Targa its more of an orphan and doesn't quite fit the buyer profile of the other specialist cars IMHO, but then it only takes 2 keen buyers to start bidding.

RB

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: John Ward
I "bought" this car in the early summer for £10k, but then had a major falling out with the owner's agent over a chassis number discrepancy shown up by HPI check; as a consequence, the deal didn't go through.
It is a genuine Ruf factory modified car i.e. still has Porsche chassis number rather than a Ruf one.....but I still have doubts about claimed top speed!

Please tell me more John!

I have had the car HPid and the Reg and VIN numbers match ok. Where did you have a problem?

It certainly is an unusual car and it is about as far away from what I am looking for as you can get, but I just think it looks the dogs bollx!!!

True, there is no way it will do 191mph, not with that whaletail on anyhow, but I'll hazard a guess that it'll get up to 160 pretty d@mn sharpish.

Apart from your number concerns, did it look an otherwise ok car John? I know the story on the mis-matched front bumper.

Could be a good car for the right money, though I think his reserve is a tad optimistic.

 

[John_Ward]

ORIGINAL: burriana


"I have had the car HPid and the Reg and VIN numbers match ok. Where did you have a problem?"

The problem was that the 2s and Zs were mixed up, likewise the 5s and the Ss.
Easily explainable as an honest mistake when importing from abroad and re-registering in the UK, but also a convenient way of it not showing up on a European database when checked.
My issue was that the sellers agent wanted a £1000 non refundable deposit prior to my getting clarification on correct chassis number....and as I knew a dealer who had had a German car repossessed by Police despite it having already been sold twice in the UK, I wasn't prepared to do it without sight of further paperwork.

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: John Ward

ORIGINAL: burriana


"I have had the car HPid and the Reg and VIN numbers match ok. Where did you have a problem?"

The problem was that the 2s and Zs were mixed up, likewise the 5s and the Ss.
Easily explainable as an honest mistake when importing from abroad and re-registering in the UK, but also a convenient way of it not showing up on a European database when checked.

ah, so basically, check the Vin No supplied AND that matches the Reg No is the same one as is on the car/V5.

How can I check the Euro database?

 

[John_Ward]

Apparently the Police can do it!
Having said that, this is not a unique problem, so I presume that HPI have contacts with similar organisations abroad ....or even the AA or RAC, who I believe now offer a similar service to HPI.
Rgds
John

 

[Guest]

It's just gone for £12,450.

Too much for me without having a good and thorough check first I'm afraid.