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Kids In The Back of a 24/44/68 - And the law?

scam75

scam75

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Meant to post this ages ago for thoughts. I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old, both average size and have done many short trips, school run etc. (5 mins) with them in the back. I am not using child seats. I'd say the 6 year old is sitting well supported and would argue with plod if push came to shove. 3 year old fine when she sits back but think I'm pushing it with her. I have 3 point belts which fit around both perfectly well, not too close to neck or anything.

What would you chaps think/advise? My Mrs says it's not a great idea, but I generally ignore most of her pearls of wisdom! [:D]

Stuart
 
Yeah I'd seen that, was more thinking of the very unusual size and shape of the rear seats, in that an adult actually doesn't fit! I suppose the answer is no. I mean, you couldn't use a child seat, or a booster, due to the bucket nature of the seats, and the rear seat actually fits a 6 year old perfectly as it is! The seats also offer a 6 year old very good protection due to their shape.

Stuart
 
To be honest Stuart I think if the police see you you'll get nicked or worse, the rear seats in a 944 under today's laws are not suitable for any child under twelve or the height limit's given. Best not use the 944 with the kids mate....

Pete
 
I always thought that a booster seat was sufficient in the back seats as it was impossible to fit a child seat in, though reading the link nor so sure now and the whole wording is vague enough that you should be able to argue that they are adequate.
 
Thanks Pete and Gordon. Yes the law says no, but for me it's an anomaly due to the size and shape of seats. In all honesty the rear seats are as well in the bin if the law dictates the correct size of passenger can't use them!

For the record I'd argue the toss about someone 6-11 years, fitting the seat perfectly, if pulled up. But I won't bother in future as cops are rarely worth debating things with.

I'd even say it's far more dangerous plonking somebody 6ft 3 into the back, with head between knees to facilitate neck snapping in an impact. But the law says that's fine!

Oh well

Stuart
 
My thoughts
I put small kids in the front with a seat - but my wife is fairly slender and will fit in the back without too much complaint. I had a booster seat that was supposed to be suitable for the rear but the curved nature of the base meant it didn't really work (despite the fact it did actually fit). Once they are big enough for a booster, the back seats/belts seem to fit fine and putting a booster in there would make them less safe/secure. The cab only has lap belts but my daughter has been in the back since she was 6 when my son was born, he is now almost 7 so this year they will probably both be in the back.
I think the important thing is the seatbelt being at the correct height on their body. It is never going to be as safe as a modern volvo with correctly fitted/sized child seats, but all a booster is really designed to do is make an adult seat child sized. If the seat is child sized do you need a booster?
It does amaze that as soon as a child gets in a cab or on a bus they suddenly became much safer and don't need a seat!
Not sure I share Pete's faith in the police either, have seen kids not restrained standing up / jumping around in the back of hatchbacks fairly regularly in South London
Tony
 
scam75 said:
Thanks Pete and Gordon. Yes the law says no, but for me it's an anomaly due to the size and shape of seats. In all honesty the rear seats are as well in the bin if the law dictates the correct size of passenger can't use them!

For the record I'd argue the toss about someone 6-11 years, fitting the seat perfectly, if pulled up. But I won't bother in future as cops are rarely worth debating things with.

I'd even say it's far more dangerous plonking somebody 6ft 3 into the back, with head between knees to facilitate neck snapping in an impact. But the law says that's fine!

Oh well

Stuart
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It was also appear if you had no rear seatbelts (early 944?) you would then legally be able to carry the kids.

"They must use an appropriate child restraint when travelling in the rear, if seat belts are fitted." - The only appropriate restraint is the factory fitted belts as far as I am aware!

Having said that a bubblebum (available from amazon) might fit (we have used one on holiday) and meet the legal requirements but I am not entirely convinced it would be any safer.

Tony

 
I've often wondered how fast someone could get out of the back seats if the car was on fire.....
 
Your children are far too precious to take risks-one problem is -submarining-one reason for the height qualifications in the regulations.
Neither of our 924S's has rear seat belts & I believe the law allows adults to use the rear seats but not children who are separately protected-when we have had to use one to pick up our eldest grandson,then aged 9,my wife who is slight (as above poster's) sat in the back & he sat in the front on our booster pad for the relatively short journey back to his home in Whalton from Newcastle town centre.

 
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