Koni suspension

[random hero]

Ive just bought a full suspension / brake set up for my 944, the shockers are Koni adjustables and have a porsche part number / P logo on them but but i need to know what car they all came off so i can get the few parts i need to fit them ,the calipers are black brembo 4 pots (all the same size). Can anyone identify them off these numbers ?? 951.341.150.10 (wishbone) , 951.33.0 ??? (rear koni) , 951.343.032.02 , 81-005(front spring) , 951.331.514.08. 944 Turbo maybe ???

 

[sawood12]

The Koni suspension and uprated brakes were fitted as standard to 944 Turbos from '88 but were options on earlier Turbo's and S2's and the later 968. Not sure if it was an option on the other 944 models. The 944 Turbos and S2's had forged alloy wishbones which I think you would need for a direct retrofit (assume these are the wishbones you mention in your note) and if your kit doesn't include the hub/spindle assembly you will need a bracket to fit your brake calipers. Other than that it should be a direct replacement. In theory the full set up includes the ARB's and rear torsion bars and a lower ride height -however i've heard that a good compromise road set up is to fit the rear M030 shocks but not the uprated torsion bars, i.e. the std S2/early Turbo torsion bars, and retain the standard ride height at the rear.

Was this the 968 M030 set up that was on ebay a couple of days ago?? If so it went for a song - well done. I would have gone for it myself but I spent up last weekend on prams, cots and other baby stuff!!

 

[random hero]

Thanks for the reply, They also have 89 stamped on them so im guessing 44 turbo ,exept the calipers which have 91 on them. These cant be M030's as the koni's arn't coilovers they look just like the standard shockers. They came off a 924's track car which was put back to standard but they bloke told me they were from a 968 but this is only waht the bloke he bought them off told him(never straight forward is it !!) i have every thing ie front/rear hubs/disc/ calipers shocker / alloy front wishbones / alloy rear arms ,bigger front / rear arb's etc basically everything to fit to my car. Mine is an 84 lux (early dash) but will be the same fit as the 924s so they should fit on but the main problem i have is the speedo as mine has the cable on the n/s hub but the later cars have the electric speedo in the gearbox ,so i need to find away of fitting a speedo. Mine has the later oval dash fitted (with a speedo modification to use the original) But i cant think of a way to wire a later one in. I can get the shocks to fit on the early hubs but can i fit the brembos and bigger discs on the early hubs ?? I know about the caliper mounbts but cant work out about the disc as the later ones fit over the hubs where as the old ones fit behind the wheel bolts. Any ideas ???

 

[sawood12]

The M030 rear shocks on the 944 were not coil-overs, just the shocks. 968 M030 did have coil-overs though as well as thicker ARB's. If you've got the front hub/spindle assembly I can't see you having any problems fitting the discs and calipers, however the S2 & early non-M030 Turbos did have different hubs than the Lux's so the disks might not fit properly to the std Lux hubs.

 

[random hero]

So were the fronts coilovers ?? With mine being an 84 car the hubs are completely different to the oval dash cars anyway so i think i would need to fit the complete hubs but i cant work out exactly what they are from ,i even rang an OPC and they couldn't tell me what they are from by the part numbers.

 

[sawood12]

Yes. All 944's used McPhearson struts that have the shock absorber assembled within the spring. M030 has adjustable height which you can tell due to the screw thread on the outside of the strut with the collar that the spring sits on so you can adjust the ride height by screwing the collar up and down the strut. They also have adjustable shock absorbers which can be adjusted from the top of the strut tower inside the engine bay. Std shocks don't have any adjustment and therefore will have no screw thread on the outside of the strut so you should easily be able to identify M030 front struts. If i'm reading my PET correctly the part numbers are:

Wishbones 951.341.927.31 (left) and 951.341.928.31 (right)
steering knuckle (spindle) is 951.341.655.34 and 951.341.656.34 for the left and right respectively
Front springs 944.343.531.01 ('87 on) or 944.343.531.00 ('86 - '87, doesn't say what the difference is if any)
Koni Rear shock absorber 951.333.032.04
Koni front shock absorber 944.343.051.00 Left '86, 944.343.052.00 Right '86
Koni front shock absorber 951.343.031.32 Left '87 on, 951.343.032.32 Right '87 on

I tried to do a search on the part numbers you provided but didn't come up with anything i'm aftraid.

 

[Fen]

It sounds like the brakes could be as fitted to 220 Turbo, S2 and 968. The 1984 car will definitely need later hubs to go with the later other bits as the pre '87 offset was 30-odd millimetres different to the post '87 one (front and rear). There were various Koni options from the well-known M030 which was struts with an adjustable spring perch through several options with no height adjustment (M474 for example). Even some 924s had Konis.

 

[random hero]

 

[random hero]

Above is what the parts look like,the konis are adjustable by the top but not via the strut its self as the spring cup is fixed. Does this give anyone any better ideas ??

 

[random hero]

I tried to do a search on the part numbers you provided but didn't come up with anything i'm aftraid.
[/quote] Thanks for looking into it for me,i dont understand why the part numbers dont exist as they are clearly marked on the parts but even a porsche dealer couldnt find them on his system !!!

 

[sawood12]

They are not M030 Koni's so are probably one of the Koni options that Fen referred to. It could also be an aftermarket upgrade. The brakes look like the early turbo/S2 calipers.

 

[random hero]

The shockers have The porsche P logo in a triange so they must be genuine parts,some of the other components have 89 stamped on them ,so do we all agree that most of the parts are probably from an 89 944 turbo ??

 

[John Sims]

I can't tell from the photos.

If you were to show the back of the brake calliper and hub assembly this would give more of a clue.

Either way, a four pot calliper is going to be better than your standard floating piston arrangement.

 

[dlknight]

The disc/hub assembly looks like standard 87- Lux and S fitment, I had mine apart recently and that looks identical.

Cheers

Dave K.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: dlknight

The disc/hub assembly looks like standard 87- Lux and S fitment, I had mine apart recently and that looks identical.

The hub (from the front) also looks pretty much identical to my late turbo as well - the disc doesn't though.

Assuming the disc and calliper go together I would suggest that it is a standard S2 or pre 89 Turbo.

The disc isn't the 32mm thick, spiral vent, off a late Turbo/928 S4 or M030 968

 

[random hero]

The discs and calipers came together but the caliper has a 92 date stamp on it !!!

 

[sawood12]

From the photo I would be willing to wager they are the early turbo/S2 caliper. The caliper could have a '92 date stamp on it as the same calipers were fitted to the S2 on the 944 once they were dropped on the turbo in '88/'89 but they were fitted to the 968's so their application would have gone on well into the '90's until the 968 ceased production.

 

[Diver944]

Without the height adjustable spring perch I would guess they are the M474 sport option. The callipers are definitely the small Brembos from an S2 or an early 220 Turbo

 

[sawood12]

Was the M474 option the uprated suspension fitted to the non-M030 turbo's?? because the non-M030 turbo's do have uprated suspension over the non-turbo cars, they certainly ride lower.