KW V3 ? OMG !

[Suffolk944]

I know its been said many times before, but the KW suspension really is the bees knees. Just had some fitted and was hugely impressed on the 100 mile trip home from Promax with it. Not had a chance to really blat it round a few twisty bits yet but am really looking forward to that ! [8D]

As a consequence I now have the 968CS M030 suspension previously fitted to my car sat in my garage and looking to sell it on if anyone is interested.

Had a few bits and pieces replaced aswell (front steering arms, front brake pads amongst them) but the greatest improvement has been in getting the brake fluid changed. Frankly am dumbfounded how much of a difference that has made, I never realised the brakes should be as good as they are now. [&:]

 

[Eldavo]

ORIGINAL: Suffolk944

As a consequence I now have the 968CS M030 suspension previously fitted to my car sat in my garage and looking to sell it on if anyone is interested.

Absolutely, definitely not. Especially since I've just bought some new wheels and need some tyres. I can say with certainty that I'm not interested in the slightest!




(How much?, PM me) []

 

[MarkK]

Good kit isn't it!Magic carpet ride over those bumps that used to make the car jiggle about and it still is firm and corners flat,i did exactly the same thing and took 968cs M030 off to swap for the KWs,maybe it was the way it was set up but the 968cs suspension felt really harsh and hoppy at the back,bet you will really enjoy it when you take your new settup for a good "test"!Did they put regular brake fluid in or did you change it for the blue stuff,was the pedal soft before?

 

[sawood12]

I've said it before and will say it again - it is the only mod you really need for any 944. Worth 100bhp any day in my view

 

[billus99]

sorry to be thick, but what exactly does KW V3 comprise?

 

[sawood12]

http://www.promaxmotorsport.com/

That's just the parts though. It also comprises of a significant step change in improvement of the handling of the car. Not only in the control of the body through the corners but also in the grip and traction you get. The key to the system and is what sets it apart from any other system is that the damper has a relief valve inside that varies the damper rate such that for body roll you have a much stiffer damping rate and for higher frequency smaller bumps - like bumps in the road - you have a softer damping rate meaning you can use springs with higher stiffness without compromising the ride quality on road. So ideal for a road car. Added benefits are it's stainless steel construction and adjustability for height, bump and rebound.

 

[Frenchy]

Stop It !!!!!...................... I need these [] mind you if i need to sell to recoup my MO30 is only a few years old.

 

[Frenchy]

Not Lokking End Of................................but may have a peep next week....when sober []

Cab Sav !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Suffolk944]

ORIGINAL: MarkK

Did they put regular brake fluid in or did you change it for the blue stuff,was the pedal soft before?

Yes very soft before (in retrospect at least !) Much more instantaneous and inspiring of confidence now []

 

[MarkK]

Its great when you get a physical benefit out of routine maintenance stuff isn't it!!??[]

 

[sawood12]

Brake fluid should be replaced routinely every 2 yrs - more often if you track the car regularly. I'll put my hands up and say that I don't think i've ever changed the brake fluid on any car i've ever had unless the system has been broken and old fluid bled out. The stuff acts like a sponge to moisture and the system is open to atmosphere so is absorbing moisture all the time.

 

[Hilux]

Do not bother with saggy old 20 year technology called Mo30, its a waste of money and isnt special at all. It is a soft suspension, it has to be or the car would launch itself into the hedges.

KW V3 is hard but compliant enough due to proper spring rates and good valving with a bump over ride. Try a car with it and you will not go for anything less.

When I (and others) say it will transform your car, we mean it, it will. Add in better aftermarket ARB`s so it keeps the car flatter and the KW then becomes truly awesome.

 

[wolfie308]

I've been meaning to post on this for some time......it's now 5 months since I had mine fitted with all the other bits and bobs in which time I've ony done about 1500 miles. It is an immense improvement over the tired original setup and the cornering ability is totally transformed - however........ I must say I do find it much firmer and broken surfaces do seem to upset it (although not as much as SWMBO who now find the ride uncomfortable).

Was told by my Indie they'd been set to 'medium' setting, so was wondering how much better/softer the ride would be if set to the softest settings? Remembering the car's only for road use, I think I'll need to get it adjusted.

I presume it would be an even harder ride if I'd had it re-indexed as well?

 

[Suffolk944]

Mines set to medium as well Richard and its certainly much more of a pliant ride than the M030 previously installed, not sure I would want to go for the soft option. Am assuming you had the standard S2 suspension before the KW's ?

 

[wolfie308]

Jon, yes it was standard S.2 suspension previously but doesn't feel as good a ride from memory as the only other S.2 I've driven with KW's.

That was Ron Smith's (which interestingly also had MO30 before) and was running on 17" wheels compared to my 16" Design 90's. [&:] Ron, I'll be in touch shortly to arrange meeting up again for a comparison.

 

[ChasR]

How do the Gaz kits compare? I understand they do one for road and track.

Brake fluid makes a massive difference. I'm considering going to ATE Blue and Pagid pads (probably stock), but am not sure if the ATE blue will be worth it in my car (I change the fluid every 2 years anyway).

I know EMC criticised MO30. They reckoned it was too hard on the road and too soft on the track.

 

[zcacogp]

Chaps,

I'm not trying to p155 on anyone's bonfire here, but while everyone (and I mean everyone) raves about KWv3, what are they comparing it with? The old stuff that came off the car and had 100,000 miles on it, with the geometry set such that the wheels were doing impressions of satellite tracking dishes?

The reason I ask (and I am asking from a position of total ignorance, having never even sat in a car with KWv3 fitted) is that everyone on every forum the world over raves about their new suspension, no matter what car or what suspension, because they are almost always comparing old, shagged kit with new, sharp kit. I raved about the Koni shocks I put on my S2 in a similar way, particularly when coupled with some new tie rods, bushes and a full aggressive geo set-up. I have heard others rave about standard shocks on their 944's, when replacing their standard but worn-out units.

I'm not trying to be negative; more to introduce a note of balance to the enthusiasm!


Oli.

 

[Hilux]

Remembering the car's only for road use, I think I'll need to get it adjusted.

You can easily adjust it your self, simply remeber where the start point was from.

I presume it would be an even harder ride if I'd had it re-indexed as well?

Not sure however the higher rear would alter the weight transference so the rears might be marginally affected.

It shouldnt be a hard ride, it should feel solid and planted and yes a pot hole will have an effect but overall it will transmit more back to the car.

 

[Hilux]

The reason I ask (and I am asking from a position of total ignorance, having never even sat in a car with KWv3 fitted) is that everyone on every forum the world over raves about their new suspension, no matter what car or what suspension, because they are almost always comparing old, ****ged kit with new, sharp kit. I raved about the Koni shocks I put on my S2 in a similar way, particularly when coupled with some new tie rods, bushes and a full aggressive geo set-up. I have heard others rave about standard shocks on their 944's, when replacing their standard but worn-out units.

I'm not trying to be negative; more to introduce a note of balance to the enthusiasm!

The previous owner had had the front Mo30 refurbished with new dampers to the rear also a few years before I bought it so it wasnt exactly old Mo30 but it was very poor compared to the KW

 

[wolfie308]

Oli - that is indeed a very good point. My S.2 did have knackered original 144k suspension - one front strut you could compress fully with one finger!

It is only an impression, but I think the 968 castor mounts and geo set up may have done as much to improve the steering as the KW's(the 968 MO30 front and rear anti roll bar and Poly bushes were done after)

The reason I went for the KW's was as much because of the horrific price of OEM parts and I would also needed lowering springs for the front to achieve the same stance. Add fitting to that compared to the all in price I paid for the KW's and the price difference was only a few 00 £'s. I also thought I'd have some new found flexibilty in setup which I wouldn't if I'd gone the OEM route. Finally, I believed that because of the near cult status, the car would be slightly more attractive if I ever came to part with it.