LOCKED THREAD

[gresley]

The post by Fred Hindle publicising an auto event in Blackpool this Sunday has been locked. Not sure that I think that's quite fair. The reason given is that it is on the same day as Blenheim - so what? If the national event cannot attract support purely on its offering then its the event that's at fault - not the "competition". I am not suggesting that Blenheim will not attract members, indeed I hope that it will, however it isn't really my cup of tea and to be made aware of another event which may suit my purposes on Sunday is surely a good thing?

Ths club and forum is surely there to support and inform Porsche owners ( who pay a not insubstantial fee ) not to pursue commercial ends however parlous our finances may be - but then that's another debate!

I suppose I should be glad that the thread wasn't removed altogether.

Andrew W.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

The post by Fred Hindle publicising an auto event in Blackpool this Sunday has been locked. Not sure that I think that's quite fair. The reason given is that it is on the same day as Blenheim - so what?

It's locked because we were asked to lock it!

As I said, if you've got a problem with that PLEASE pick up the phone and talk to a Director, don't just start another thread criticising it again?

The fact is that we were all asked not to organise any events that clash with Blenheim. Blackpool was promoted by David when he knew it would annoy people, and it's not fair that the members have to choose between their Region and the National event. I know the politics and personalities behind this, I just wish everyone would keep it to themselves. Promoting your non-Club event was allowed, but bumping it every day was a step too far for many people who'd stayed quiet so far.

This forum is open to non-members. Any more problems and it will at least have to go into the members-only area if not be deleted. Let's just enjoy our big weekend of the year, whether at Blenheim or Blackpool, and get over the political rubbish. []

 

[Fred Hindle]

Paul,

I don't know who told you about the event being organised deliberately to annoy people but I can state that is DEFINITELY NOT the case. There are two people who organised this, one is a club member the other isn't. It was organised outside of the club and it does clash but it is somewhere to go if you aren't going to Blenheim. Ask Barry Smith why I'm not going and he will tell you, nothing political at all. The other person actually owns a veteran car. If you email me I'll give you the details of the person who organised it and he can tell you when he started to get this event together. As you will know yourself, organising an event of any size and complexity takes time, not something you can do in a week or so.
I will gladly talk to any of the directors if they wish to contact me regarding this. frankly I am upset that this event which is for a good charitable cause has been thrown into the political arena.

 

[gresley]

Paul

I have no issue with you and my thread was in no way aimed at you.

1. I have no connection with this event and if there has been any political manouvering then I am unaware of it.

2. My post was designed to question an action taken,which I think is within my rights as a member ,- phoning a Director is something which I have neither the time or taste for though I know I would receive a fair hearing.

3. " Political rubbish " - if that is pointed at my mail then I take exception to it.

Whatever possessed me to take up an issue which I did not feel had been handled fairly - certainly won't bother again!

Andrew W.

 

[geoff Ives]

In November all R/S's and R/S's were instrucrted NOT to organise anything for the weekend of 11th/12th July as it was our National event.

This was not challenged and it is a directive not an option.
Don't think that this is a new idea, it has been in place for all the time I have been involved with Club events and that is quite a few years now.

I have no idea what the motive for ignoring this directive was so I cannot discuss that.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

3. " Political rubbish " - if that is pointed at my mail then I take exception to it.

Whatever possessed me to take up an issue which I did not feel had been handled fairly - certainly won't bother again!

Not aimed at you at all Andrew, just at anyone who puts their own issues ahead of the overall membership. They know who they are. [&o]

Again, not criticising you for raising the issue but there was a reason why I asked people not to argue this out on the open forum but to take any issues to the appropriate person directly. It so happens that most of the people who could help are currently unavailable as they are all setting up Blenheim, hence please lets sort this out after the weekend when everyone's back. []

 

[macandsue]

You are mistaken if you believe that this was organised by an RO or an RS, it was organised to raise money for the Northwest Air Ambulance. For those people here in the north west who for a variety of reasons , mainly ill health, are not going to Blenheim it was an alternative. Personally I have been to the last NINE national events and worked flat out at all of them. I have been ill since the AGM. I still managed to make it to both the Cotswold Rally and Gaydon the latter at which I worked. I know all of the Porsche Club people who might have attended Blenheim, and none of them are politically motivated in their non attendance. Would you like a doctors certificate? I can't make it to Blenheim and I am going to the Air Ambulance gig because it is only four miles away, and encouraging everyone I can to join us.
Mac

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: Fred Hindle

Paul,

I don't know who told you about the event being organised deliberately to annoy people but I can state that is DEFINITELY NOT the case. There are two people who organised this, one is a club member the other isn't. It was organised outside of the club and it does clash but it is somewhere to go if you aren't going to Blenheim. Ask Barry Smith why I'm not going and he will tell you, nothing political at all. The other person actually owns a veteran car. If you email me I'll give you the details of the person who organised it and he can tell you when he started to get this event together. As you will know yourself, organising an event of any size and complexity takes time, not something you can do in a week or so.
I will gladly talk to any of the directors if they wish to contact me regarding this. frankly I am upset that this event which is for a good charitable cause has been thrown into the political arena.

Hi Fred,

I'm upset that people's personal issues have led to problems as well, I think we all are. Unfortunately promoting this event above the Club's annual festival has meant it had to become political! []

Let's sort this out after the weekend when people are actually available, not argue on the forum when we all know that most people are working their butts off to make Blenheim a success.

 

[macandsue]

Hello Paul,
Here is the same offer to you. If you feel you are fully aware as you seem to be, no problem. If however you would like to talk about it instead of chucking assumptions about, then do what I asked Peter Bull to do and call me ,you can get my number from P.P. Peter didn't want to talk . Why , who knows?

Mac McLeod

 

[carreraboy]

Having locked the Thread has only moved it here and now attracting more attention .... Did the Regional Director pick the phone up?

Anyway bring the National Event to Brands Hatch again (and have a similar format to Porsche Club Francorchamps) I only live 15 minutes away.

So ...... off to Blenheim tomorrow, looking forward to the weekend and hope you ferret pigeon fancier mob in Lancashire enjoy your day on Sunday attract more members and more importantly raise some money for the Air Ambulance ....[]

 

[jason]

Seems this thread has 'made' something that was for a good cause into a political issue.

I'd be gobsmacked if anyone REALLY thinks that mac or fred would go out of their way to organise and event just to get up PCGB noses after everything they have done/do in the club.

For godsake when will this club ever grow up....[]

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: jason

Seems this thread has 'made' something that was for a good cause into a political issue.

I'd be gobsmacked if anyone REALLY thinks that mac or fred would go out of their way to organise and event just to get up PCGB noses after everything they have done/do in the club.

For godsake when will this club ever grow up....[]

I've edited my post to change "organise" to "promote".

I agree totally that Fred and Mac didn't "organise" the event to coincide, they didn't have anything to do with the organiation. All I meant was that it was wrong for David to infer that it was the region's "preferred" event. That was what turned it into a political issue, upset the many volunteers at Blenheim and caused this to become a problem. [&o]

 

[carreraboy]

Paul I can see the frustration, particulalry being with you involved closely with the National Event, all the effort and strain leading up to the Showcase Weekend, we all are looking forward to .... emmotions high ........... I'm sure Blenheim will be a huge success ...... so anyone doing anything different must be very frustrating ... I think just a step back at this very late stage and with only 36 hours untill lift off ...... let's all wish the Blackpool event well.

 

[Peter_Bull]

ORIGINAL: macandsue

................. then do what I asked Peter Bull to do and call me ................ Peter didn't want to talk . Why , who knows?

I never respond to agressive emails.

 

[Sal 965]

I'm afraid to say that this sort of pointless bickering is why i only dip my toe in this club and forum as a whole.

If the political fighting and the "look at me i'm in charge" attitude could be put to one side for the benefit of the club (i was a full member for a number of years in the 90's) this would be a friendlier, and consequently more productive, club for the benefit of all and then surely the membership numbers would increase as would the support for all events both club organised and independant.

Let us not forget that one common factor brought everyone in this club (or forum) together.

 

[gresley]

Paul

Thanks for your comments. Totally understand the frustration you ( and others ) must feel when something like this breaks out prior to an event that you are working very hard to support.

Let's hope that both events are successes in their own way and that the air gets cleared ( where necessary ) next week without further damage and that any real or imagined political subtexts are aired in a manner satisfactory to all concerned.

Enjoy Saturday and Sunday - I certainly intend to!

Andrew W.