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Looking for an S2 - Anyone know this car...

JamesBall

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I am looking for an S2 (having decided against spending the best part of £20k on a 964...for now).

Does anyone know this car?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1158574.htm


Obviously, reasonably high mileage but belts changed at 124k, clutch at around 110k, good service history, new brakes and tyres.

Some rust on the near-side rear wing and some minor issues (clock not working, indicators not returning etc)

I would get any potential purchase inspected but this seems like a decent car.

Any comments?

This one stands out as potentially good value too, although the advert says little about the car! http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C105840/

 
Probably not the response you wanted but,
Mine's just gone up for sale

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1235138.htm

A bit dearer than the one your looking at though...

Darren
 
looks nice, but I very much doubt the agreed value for insurance purposes at £8,250. I wouldn't worry too much about the mileage as 140k is just run in for these cars, but it needs to be pretty much spot on at £3,950 as I'd say that is strong money for an S2 in this market
 
"but it needs to be pretty much spot on at £3,950 as I'd say that is strong money for an S2 in this market"

Really!

According to the marketwatch article in 911 & Porsche world (September09) "the typical S2 with around 100,00 miles will sell for £5-7000"

So I've put mine on PH for £6000 no offers[:D]

I agree with you Phil, that insurance valuation is a bit steep
 
"Decent" S2's seem to have been available for under £5k for a good while from what I have seen, despite there always being a few advertised at more than £5k.

Hands up who has paid more than £5k for an S2 in the last couple of years?

babyjack - wasn't your car on PH for £6,500 a few hours ago? If I keep waiting will it come down to my budget (sub £4k)? ;)
 
Yes I've changed the price. When ever I put something on PH for lets say £500, I get emails from people offering £100! it annoys the hell out of me! I don't have a problem with sensible offers though, it's part of the game called selling. After realising what i'd done I put the price down to what I actually want for it, but it won't go any further!

Anyway, In my experience, yes you can buy an S2 for under 5K, but be prepared to spend more in the first year of ownership(£1000 is the usual amount to keep aside).
I think my car is worth that bit extra,as it's had a lot done to it & been cared for
 
Both look like potentially very nice buys, but best check when the belts were last done as neither adverts seem to mention this.
 
More worryingly,,,, theres NO mention of the cam chain + camshafts being either looked at OR replaced...
You WILL need to budget for these being looked at / replaced...££££££..Although the red one looks + sounds like its been cared for...
 
Obviously, reasonably high mileage but belts changed at 124k, clutch at around 110k, good service history, new brakes and tyres.

140K is not high mileage, honest! [:D]

It's all about what's been done recently, who cares if the wiper blades were replaced by a main dealer in 1993? Clutch is a good thing, arguably worth a premium on it's own as it'll cost you the thick end of £1K to replace. Belts, check the date as well as mileage. 4 years is a maximum regardless of the low mileage, and on a 16V car you really do need to check, or get checked, the condition of the timing chain, slipper and cams. Expect to pay to check cam condition, when mine was inspected one bolt sheared [:eek:], but it's entirely possible that they might need replacing and it's going to be well over £1K. Other things to look for include caliper corrosion, fuel and brake lines, tired suspension, and the obvious issue of rusty wings and sills.

This sounds very negative, but there have been plenty of people over the last few years who've bought a "cheap" 944 and regretted it. Both cars are potentially a very good buy, but neither even begins to give you the details in order to make a decision. I'd tend to look for cars owned by people who know the cars very well, and put the essential info in their ad, as a starting point.
 
Without trying to sound harsh to one or two people here, I would be tempted to haggle a little on the red car and see what happens (yes I know it says no offers if you don't ask you don't get...). It seems IMO to be the superior car out of the two with a less tired interior and money spent where it should be on a 944 (Suspension: Can easily cost over £600 to get it spot on, and it is something that quite a few neglect to change (It is a sports car after all), and by the looks of things, the belts seem to be done too within the last few years (again, around £360 for the belts and tensioners changed (most specialists seem to change the belts only unless you specify otherwise).

It's a shame the market for S2s has come down a little. Damn these people pimping 2.5s and 2.7!
 
I think 3 is a bit harsh for a good S2 even today. I sold my S for 3 last October and whilst a nice car it wasn't an S2.
The black car looks ok - the mention of Hartech is a bit of a red herring as whilst Baz undoubtedly knows his stuff it was a long time ago.
6K is alot but if it really is that nice then perhaps not ott. Then again there will always be something that needs attention or fails for no real reason except perhaps a different driving style
 
ORIGINAL: Alpine

I'd be looking to pay £3k for an S2 with 140k miles

I would say that's a bit harsh. A guy near me paid near £3k for his 2.7 in white with 130k. Besides a slightly worn driver's seat, non working clock and slightly tarnished alloys it seems to be a very original and tidy car. The problem is that there are an increasing number of ropey examples coming into the market.
 
ORIGINAL: babyjack

"but it needs to be pretty much spot on at £3,950 as I'd say that is strong money for an S2 in this market"

Really!

According to the marketwatch article in 911 & Porsche world (September09) "the typical S2 with around 100,00 miles will sell for £5-7000"

So I've put mine on PH for £6000 no offers[:D]

I agree with you Phil, that insurance valuation is a bit steep

Nice looking car, although I think you might have been a little optimistic with your HP improvement claims - 26bhp from a promax chip and rear ESS box??!!!! I would estimate 6-10bhp max.

All the best with the sale.
 

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

140K is not high mileage, honest! [:D]
I've said it before on here - we're far too hung up about milage on second-hand cars in the UK. Condition is FAR more important. Who cares whether the number on the dashboard says 60k or 160k miles? Go and look at it. Drive it. Examine it carefully. As Paul said, look at what has happened to it in the last five years. Work out whether you are looking at something that has been deterioraiting in someone's garage, doing nothing but short weekend runs for the last 10 years, or something that has had its legs stretched gently but firmly on a near-daily basis in that time. In my experience, low milage cars drive badly and garage queens drive the worst of the lot.

Similar applies to service history. My ideal 944 would be one owned by a clear enthusiast, who knows the car like the back of his hand and clearly has a good workshop in which he has worked on it. A nice big stack of bills for parts (from GSF, OPC's, Bert etc) and clear notes about when the various bits were changed. With, perhaps, the odd bill from an indie for the more complex jobs that were slightly beyond the reach of the owner-mechanic and which he has paid to have done.

To the OP - if you are interested in those two cars, go and look at them both. Find out as much as you can about both of them. Find out what offer would be accepted on either, and go from there. Certainly one of them is being sold by a dealer, which is a bit of a shame as I maintain that you can tell a lot about a car from the person selling it - nice people sell nice cars.


Oli.
 
Thanks all.

I agree with the advice on mileage...but... low mileage and good condition is better than high mileage and good condition (so long as the low mileage doesn't mean "not been used for 3 yrs")
 
ORIGINAL: zcacogp


ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

140K is not high mileage, honest! [:D]

My ideal 944 would be a red Turbo one owned by a clear enthusiast, who knows the car like the back of his hand and clearly has a good workshop in which he has worked on it. A nice big stack of bills for parts (from GSF, OPC's, Bert etc) and clear notes about when the various bits were changed. With, perhaps, the odd bill from an indie for the more complex jobs that were slightly beyond the reach of the owner-mechanic and which he has paid to have done.



Oli.

[;)][;)][:D]

Oli is the man, when it comes to S2s, so heed his advice or else...[:mad:][:D]
 
Nice looking car, although I think you might have been a little optimisitc with your HP improvement claims - 26bhp from a promax chip and rear ESS box??!!!! I would estimate 6-10bhp max.

they are the gains stated on both websites,perhaps I should put that on the advert. If it's 6-10 bhp I would be suprised, as both these companies are well respected.All I can say is I have a standard S2 as well,& the difference is very noticable
It is not my intention to mislead anyone with my car description. It's a brilliant car,prepared by proffesionals. If people wish to spend Under 5K on a car, fine with me. It seems everybody wants something for nothing these days, but then complain when something goes wrong... James,apologies for hijacking your thread, I hope this is the last time my car is mentioned. Good luck with your search
 

ORIGINAL: appletonn
Oli is the man, when it comes to S2s, so heed his advice or else...[:mad:][:D]
Oi!

Haven't you got a beetle forum to go to or something? [:eek:]

(Or are you just hanging around here, remembering the good 'ol days when you had a 944, and wondering whether, actually, the Porsche pecking order has something called an 'S2' At the top and something commonly known as a '911' at the bottom ... [:)] )


Oli.

Good to see you back Nick. Things have been a bit dull 'round these parts recently ...
 

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