LSD

[dereksharpuk]

Does anyone know if you get a limited slip diff with a C2 with PASM? I have read conflicting reports on this subject

 

[Adam2S]

For a second there I thought this was a drugs thread...

 

[Monty2]

Hi Derek
just looked at my Gen II spec sheet and its only standard with carrera 4 and 4S, I had it on my sport suspension 997 C2S and it really did get the power down out of a corner or coming off a roundabout, noticeable yes, do you need it 90% of the time probably not.
Still waiting to see aqua in the flesh, had you seen it before speccing it onto your car?

Paul

 

[mex99]

My understanding as follows:

You do not get an LSD as standard with PASM

You can order option P17 - sport PASM with LSD and -20mm

You can order option 220 - which is just a LSD

Note however that one may only order the sport PASM variant with 19" wheels, ie an upgrade on the Carrera 3.6.

To further complicate... on the 3.6 this means that the PASM sport option costs more but is definitively different to the PASM option.

And then if you were not confused enough - if you have a cab you cannot have the Sport PASM anyway as the chassis is not rigid enough, though you can have standard PASM and an LSD as two separate options.

My name is Darren and my chosen specialist subject is Porsche specifications!

There - easy!

 

[RICH.P]

I can see what you've been doing for the last 2 months while waiting for your 997 Gen2 []

 

[Dylan1]

You do not get an LSD as standard with PASM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks like another new order on its way then derek[]

darren-you are getting SERIOUSLY knowledgable[]

 

[mex99]

Rich, dyllan

I did spend a lot of time planning my spec - I definitely got it wrong on the Cayman (no PASM) so had to get it right when spending so much money. I think the dealerships could really up their knowledge base to be honest, I think they are sometimes so nice and try hard not to let you spend excessively that they miss some real basics, I don't mean your mainstream stuff like sat nav and sports chrono but some of the tailored leather options etc. This lsd business is a classic. Sports PASM with -20mm and lsd on a CS for £753 - that is probably the best value option on the list....I suspect a small number of people will actually spec it. There is a point that you only really need it way north of most people's driving ability but it is a great option..I'm all for people making informed choices, that is why businesses report data and why metrics are so trendy.

Case in point, I called into the dealership yesterday (to pay for the car etc to make collection just focus on the fun bits) and there was a lovely black C2S just sat there waiting to be bought, but the spec was all wrong; not even suited to particular taste, just wrong!

Now both of you I know really want a 911 - when tempted, buy me a sandwich and a pint and I'll happily talk Porsche specs all day.

For Derek, on a cab I really wouldn't worry - the chassis is softer, probably about 5 to 10 times (Cayman vs Boxster is 9 times) so I actually think the lack of comfort at the edge of grip would limit the value of the lsd. The 3.6 cab with pdk will be stunning, (and tax efficient). Especially with you colour scheme!!!

 

[garyw]

ORIGINAL: mex99
I think the dealerships could really up their knowledge base to be honest,

I think they know exactly what spec they want to sell you...
The one that helps them resell it, when it come time..

You really do need to do your homework prior and I think this place does have a very good knowledge base.

garyw

 

[jonathanw]

Darren

Unfortunately even the 3.6 gen2 cab is not that tax efficient as it is not sub 225grms CO2 because it is heavier. From a road tax point of view it will cost the same as the new 3.8. One of the many reasons why I have specd my new cab in 3.8 form.

 

[dereksharpuk]

ORIGINAL: jonathanw

Darren

Unfortunately even the 3.6 gen2 cab is not that tax efficient as it is not sub 225grms CO2 because it is heavier. From a road tax point of view it will cost the same as the new 3.8. One of the many reasons why I have specd my new cab in 3.8 form.

True!

But heavier than what? It is not heavier than the 3.8 Cab [] and though heavier than the 3.6 Coupe, it is still in the same tax band as all 911 Gen 2s except C4S Cab without PDK.

Actually the C2 Coupe is quoted at 230 g/km with PDK and the Cab at 233 g/km with PDK. The C2 Cab without PDK is 245 g/km.

Tax bands are:

K 201 -225
L 226 - 255
M Over 255

So you see, no 911 Gen 2 is in Tax band K and all C2s are in tax band L which is not the most expensive band.

The only 911 over 255 is the C4S Cab without PDK.

So there appears to be no difference between C2 PDK and C2S PDK; (until the Government change the rules again [] )

 

[mex99]

Yes my apologies - it is only the C2 non cab that is 225g of the toxic stuff! Hopefully this will tempt new buyers and with numbers into the UK being reduced should give some value to residuals in the future; I can but dream.

At least though my C2S with PDK will not be in the top group. Not that I care to be honest - they can tax me all they want, I will still have the car I want. I think this is true of most Porsche owners, if motoring means that much to you and you are fortunate enough to be able to afford one why would you let marginal taxation affect your decision?? I gave up worrying about this sort of thing long ago!

Anyway seeing the way you've referred to the cars did I mention I have bought C2 PDK as a number plate - couldn't get C2S** that worked!! Think this will be good for people in the know?

Hoping to collect my car tomorrow - if not Tues!!

 

[dereksharpuk]

ORIGINAL: mex99

Yes my apologies - it is only the C2 non cab that is 225g of the toxic stuff! Hopefully this will tempt new buyers and with numbers into the UK being reduced should give some value to residuals in the future; I can but dream.

Sorry Daren I hate to be pedantic, but according to Porsche the C2 Non Cab is not 225 g/km.
The C2 Coupe is 242 (230 with PDK). So both are in the same tax band as your C2S Cab!

Sorry!

 

[Dylan1]

Sorry Daren I hate to be pedantic, but according to Porsche the C2 Non Cab is not 225 g/km.

if that is indeed the case derek then the original ads are wrong!!!
there was much made in the press on the c2 coupe NOT being in the top tax bracket-tho i have to say i dont think that small saving would have made me not go for the c2s!!

 

[dereksharpuk]

I'm not sure the press is incorrect. All but the non PDK C4S Cab are under 255 g/km which is the top tax band. My figures are taken from the official Porsche technical data

 

[mex99]

I don't have a problem with being wrong - don't worry. However, i don't think either camp is wrong - there must be some distortion in the data. The Inner Strength book I have clearly quotes the CO2 of the C2 coupe as 225g??

Also I collected my manual today for car collection tomorrow and that says 225g as does the big advert in the Swindon showroom - something is amiss..??

 

[dereksharpuk]

My apologies Darren, you are absolutely right about what the Inner strength book states, but the 911 main brochure states something different. Confused or what?

Inner strength : 911 C2 Coupe 225 manual, 225 PDK, Cab 242 manual, 240 PDK
Main brochure: 911 C2 Coupe 242 manual 230 PDK, Cab 245 manual, 233 PDK

Goodness know which is correct, but I ordered my C2 Cab based on what the Inner strength booklet stated. The main brochure came later.

 

[mex99]

All cool in the end then - you'll probably save enough for a tank of V Power!

 

[DSM]

Apparently the different Co2 figures for the same model are to do with whether the car has steel or aluminium doors, depending on market.

This could be incorrect.

 

[dereksharpuk]

It becomes even more curious. I received this yesterday from Porsche after querying exactly what my Gen 2 cab would be:

'Is he in his car currently? If he is then his C02 will be 233. 1st September we changed to Euro 5 which takes the CO2 to 225. '

So... does it all change if you register your car after 1st Sep??? It will make a difference!