Neil Haughey
New member
Maybe only me but when I was a youngun this was the car I lusted to own;
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/313827.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/313827.htm
Me likey very much
- Thread starter Neil Haughey
- Start date
metric_thumbs
New member
Yup - good call.
Did you stand in wet forrests and watch these for a few seconds as they came past?
Did you stand in wet forrests and watch these for a few seconds as they came past?
RC18B 911 turbo
New member
They may have came out and raced before I was born but I've always loved these cars they look and sound really nice but for the money I think I would rather have a 911 turbo even if that Audi does have 500BHP I just really like the 911 turbo
sawood12
New member
These are lovely cars. I saw one in the flesh at an Audi showroom around 1992ish in Pearlescent white with white leather interior and white leather full racing style Recaro bucket seats and 5 point harness. I think it was around £100k as they didn't make many of the short wheelbaseQuattros as they only built enough to get homoliation.. Would love to drive one but I fear it wouldn't handle well. The 911 turbo would be a much more civilised drive.
I liked the top gear episode when they raced a full rally spec one round the track with a modern WRC Scooby with the Stig at the helm. Wasn't that far behind really given the advances if 4wd and all the other electronic gubbins the Scooby is armed with. I think it was only a second or so behind. Just goes to show how fast those '80's group A rally cars got before they were banned.
I liked the top gear episode when they raced a full rally spec one round the track with a modern WRC Scooby with the Stig at the helm. Wasn't that far behind really given the advances if 4wd and all the other electronic gubbins the Scooby is armed with. I think it was only a second or so behind. Just goes to show how fast those '80's group A rally cars got before they were banned.
Neil,
You and me both. The UR Quatt is the first car I ever drooled over as a kid. (Mk1 GTi the second ... )
That's a repro tho' - Dialynx do good ones, but it's not pukka. Still wouldn't say no.
A Mate bought a really, really knackered early 10v quatt when we were both about 20. It was a complete dog - dog to drive, dog to look at, dog-slow. Really badly looked after example (just the sort of car my mate bought, to be honest.) It almost spoiled it for me totally, but I still want one! Last 20v MB model. In all likelihood, it is what I will probably sell my S2 to buy sometime in the future.
Oli.
You and me both. The UR Quatt is the first car I ever drooled over as a kid. (Mk1 GTi the second ... )
That's a repro tho' - Dialynx do good ones, but it's not pukka. Still wouldn't say no.
A Mate bought a really, really knackered early 10v quatt when we were both about 20. It was a complete dog - dog to drive, dog to look at, dog-slow. Really badly looked after example (just the sort of car my mate bought, to be honest.) It almost spoiled it for me totally, but I still want one! Last 20v MB model. In all likelihood, it is what I will probably sell my S2 to buy sometime in the future.
Oli.
Neil Haughey
New member
Oli is correct. This is not a *real* swb quattro as such. The original ones are stupid money. ISTR seeing one several years ago that was only used as a road car, the guy wanted something daft like 80K for it. Similar effect with the BMW M1 which also due to rarity is worth stupid money.
My head says a really puka sorted late 951 with neat engine mods is better then any variant of the quattro coupe or even M1. Supply and demand is a stunning effect.
How the Audi ever got around bends is a bit of a mystery, look at how much of that looong engine sticks out in front of the front axle line (look where the shock towers are for example).
Still though when I was about 16 (17 years ago or so) motorsport was incredible. We had the Senna era, prototype sports cars, just come of the back of group B rallying and then going into ever more impressive touring car specs. My mate wanted an E30 M3 I wanted a quattro.
Didn't get to see much rallying until in my 20's but down here we have the Sunseeker coming up after the new year so hopefully get to walk into that one again i.e. don't pay if you walk into the stages.
IMHO the boxy kit car looks is 100% 1980's styling. All the rally specials looked a bit like this apart from the still born RS200, the 6R4 being a famously boxy expansion on a metro shape. I somewhat like the overall effect, after all the most valuable version of our cars (924 carrera gt) follows the same theme for growing its proportions.
My head says a really puka sorted late 951 with neat engine mods is better then any variant of the quattro coupe or even M1. Supply and demand is a stunning effect.
How the Audi ever got around bends is a bit of a mystery, look at how much of that looong engine sticks out in front of the front axle line (look where the shock towers are for example).
Still though when I was about 16 (17 years ago or so) motorsport was incredible. We had the Senna era, prototype sports cars, just come of the back of group B rallying and then going into ever more impressive touring car specs. My mate wanted an E30 M3 I wanted a quattro.
Didn't get to see much rallying until in my 20's but down here we have the Sunseeker coming up after the new year so hopefully get to walk into that one again i.e. don't pay if you walk into the stages.
IMHO the boxy kit car looks is 100% 1980's styling. All the rally specials looked a bit like this apart from the still born RS200, the 6R4 being a famously boxy expansion on a metro shape. I somewhat like the overall effect, after all the most valuable version of our cars (924 carrera gt) follows the same theme for growing its proportions.
sawood12
New member
Like I said earlier, I saw a SWB road-going version going for £100k back in 1992ish. I'm sure these things must be appreciating in value as so few road-going versions were buit.
I don't think they did go round corners very well. That's the magic of the use of the Torsen diffs in the Quattro system.
I don't think they did go round corners very well. That's the magic of the use of the Torsen diffs in the Quattro system.
Neil Haughey
New member
Yup crazy money. There is or was a 911R on the gmund website going for eye watering money, but then istr it is Vic Elfords old car. I remember a couple of years back seeing a puka 904 carrera gts on for something like 1/4 megapound + probably worth loads more now.
Seems rare cars are back in again, I remember the last big boom. Place near me mates had a real db4 zagato that was a wreck barn find type car. Bloke walked in of the street and offered istr 170K for it.
What is so wrong with our cars that the struggle to be worth more then a typical 5 yr old shopping trolley car.
Agreed about the 930 although I don't agree about em being a sleeping giant waiting to go up loads in value like many ppl seem to think, they have been cheap for several years now.
Seems rare cars are back in again, I remember the last big boom. Place near me mates had a real db4 zagato that was a wreck barn find type car. Bloke walked in of the street and offered istr 170K for it.
What is so wrong with our cars that the struggle to be worth more then a typical 5 yr old shopping trolley car.
Agreed about the 930 although I don't agree about em being a sleeping giant waiting to go up loads in value like many ppl seem to think, they have been cheap for several years now.
Guest
New member
Neil,
The 930 is on its way up. Good early cars with low milage and provinance are now heading up towards the £40-50k mark. The trouble is a car with 70-100,000 with full service history is never going to be in the league of a 10,000 mile from new car. They are in different stratospheres when it comes to collectors.
I have a couple of XJ12 coupe Jaguars and according to all the catalogue price guides they are worth £10-15k top whak. I know of 2 cars sold for over £40k and 1 car that has attracted a bid of £50k and the owner won't sell it.
Average cars are not collectable, hence why they are not achieving top prices. Anything exceptional will sell for top money
The 930 is on its way up. Good early cars with low milage and provinance are now heading up towards the £40-50k mark. The trouble is a car with 70-100,000 with full service history is never going to be in the league of a 10,000 mile from new car. They are in different stratospheres when it comes to collectors.
I have a couple of XJ12 coupe Jaguars and according to all the catalogue price guides they are worth £10-15k top whak. I know of 2 cars sold for over £40k and 1 car that has attracted a bid of £50k and the owner won't sell it.
Average cars are not collectable, hence why they are not achieving top prices. Anything exceptional will sell for top money
hartge bob
New member
The Dialynx ones never look quite right to me.
If you compare the side view with a genuine SWB you can see the windscreen on the genuine one is more upright, IIRC this was to cut down on refelction or something similar.
The cut and shut coupes have a more laid back screen that knocks the proportions out in my eyes.
Still have one though [
]
If you compare the side view with a genuine SWB you can see the windscreen on the genuine one is more upright, IIRC this was to cut down on refelction or something similar.
The cut and shut coupes have a more laid back screen that knocks the proportions out in my eyes.
Still have one though [
]Neil Haughey
New member
I have to say that I like the look of the really early 930, but for me and unsurprisingly many others a nice turbo2 965 is on the wish list (apparently becoming very difficult to find a puka one for sale). I was in MR near salisbury a couple of years back, they had a very early 930 in for some work that was black with chrome window seals and a sort of pinky brown tartan interior. Very smart looking car and its true what ppl say, the early ones do look much lighter then the late ones. ISTR the turbo seized because the car hadn't been used since the last time a new turbo was fitted. This car was low mileage (something like 20K or 30K) and I guess if I was being wise I should have taken a loan out to buy it.
Tommo I still kick myself when I think about the perfect original LHD old english white 2.4S I spotted a few years back. They wanted 17K for it which I thought was far too much for a LHD. How stupid am I, I could have chopped in my S2 when it was worth something and got an appreciating classic.
What about 951 convertibles as a possible front engined pork to go up? the 924 carrera gt already seems to be very strong.
Tommo I still kick myself when I think about the perfect original LHD old english white 2.4S I spotted a few years back. They wanted 17K for it which I thought was far too much for a LHD. How stupid am I, I could have chopped in my S2 when it was worth something and got an appreciating classic.
What about 951 convertibles as a possible front engined pork to go up? the 924 carrera gt already seems to be very strong.
Yup, the true originals did have a more vertical windscreen. But I think that's the only difference. And it's a minor one. (And I suspect that there are more Dialynx conversions out there than originals!)
And that one pictured had the proper front end on it as well. Which not all of them have. (It was an optional extra when you had the conversion done.) More bull-ish than the standard. A bit more purposeful.
I'd certainly still have one. In a shot. And they look good in red as well ...
Oli.
ETA: I've found the page on the Dialynx website about the conversation, here:
http://www.dialynx.co.uk/conversions.htm
And that one pictured had the proper front end on it as well. Which not all of them have. (It was an optional extra when you had the conversion done.) More bull-ish than the standard. A bit more purposeful.
I'd certainly still have one. In a shot. And they look good in red as well ...
Oli.
ETA: I've found the page on the Dialynx website about the conversation, here:
http://www.dialynx.co.uk/conversions.htm
Guest
New member
Neil,
That 2.4S is going to haunt you sir!!!
All convertibles end up going up in value, I personally think that the 250 Turbos, and the 968 CS are the ones that will see the best future. I would say to anybody don't be scared to put £20k into the right 968CS
The 924 Carrera GT was very limited production so you almost have to add the 968 Turbo into the equation. I tried to buy one this year and was well short of the mark despite bidding £50k at it. So how far will they go??
The 5 cylinder Audi engine is a peach... Probably the best car I ever had was a 2.2 Audi Coupe... bought as a 3month run-around for £250, with 160k miles on the clock... after 7 years, with 330k miles on the clock I gave it to my brother in law... (he was a nightmare with cars) After being abused by him for a year it was still going... (nothimg else he ever had did) In that time two breakdowns where it failed to get me home - one starter motor, one alternator... other than that, it would always limp home... I did have a burnt out valve at one point to... but drove for over 1k miles on four cylinders without too much trouble...
It ate front tyres like they were going out of fashion, put any old rubbish on the back, it just didn't seem to make any difference; it ate front wishbone bushes with a similar appetite, but I loved it. Wish I still had it in fact...
But, would I have another one? No. Totally outclassed by the 944.
Regards,
Tref.
Neil Haughey
New member
What is worse is that this was maybe 5 years ago when the prices were already on the way up. I was at that place near Banbury (the guy who is famous for the 911 rally cars) to get my windscreen looked at by a Porsche expert and spotted the said car in one of the barns (or units). It had come in from Italy looked like new, apparently never needed any messing with due to the dry warm life it had led, ISTR the car had only been in a couple of days and I was in love who wouldn't be with an original 2.4S in a nice colour. I asked the guy how much to take it now and he said 17K. The part of my brain that I wish I would never listen to was saying what will I do with my S2, where will I keep it with no garage etc. etc. I should have gone straight down the bank to get a loan, even at 7 or 8% APR I would have made money and owned one of my very few dream cars.
Posts made and opinions expressed are those of the individual forum members
Use of the Forum is subject to the Terms and Conditions
