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I apologise for a cross post in this forum section, but just to say that there is a new section within all the forums called Media Archive
If you need to know more then do contact me as via PM.
Just type 997 in the search box. You never know what you may find ...
Clive and Alan know something about this too
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Hello everyone.

You will see some images HERE
Just the start. A little locked down for the moment whilst we are in 'test mode'
In time we will provide full access to over 130,000 images and documents that are held by the club but in the meantime you may be interested in another 'work in progress' from the DMP team.
Any comments and suggestions please PM me or email mediarch_pcgb@plainticket.net
Enjoy
Norman

PS If you have good quality pictures that depict the life and activities of our club (the older pictures the better) we now have ways of getting this into the system quickly
 

Norman, What is the idea of the images being hosted?
I also see them watermarked C Porsche club - is the C indicating copyright?I would PM this question, but feel a few others may be asking the same question...

 
Impressive collection, I have not got to the end of the archive as the navigation (page numbers at top) does not seem to allow other than next page.

Agree with thrust of Copyright point, but have not found any (if any) of mine yet. If my original work was there I would want the Club to have them under licence - I think someone (Richard Watling) had an action on this?
 
Hi Gary
Copyright is of course an important question but I will put the answer to that to one side for a mo. The underlying issue going forward is that club image content is not well managed and has seldom been completely available to many members. There are people that mail in CDs, USB sticks , post videos etc in many disparate ways. By centralising a resource it will mean that the results of events that club members have attended can be centrally uploaded (RO, RS or authorised individual). At that point the Publications Team can decide what may or may not be made available to club members ('sanity' and quality check). Naturally that snap of you sideways* on a track day may not be of sufficient interest to all PP readers (if there were space) but may be of interest in another way. In the past these sort of things may have been discarded. Now we have a chance to retain those that are genuinely of interest... for an appropriate time. Curating all the content once it is all up there will not be too difficult and will also take some load off in house staff too.

There is much to add here but I shall now try to address copyright and related issues. We do want Public facing images to be protected from casual abuse (screengrabs etc) hence a watermark across the preview. It can read what we like but we have to start somewhere. Naturally a logged in member (not yet available to most club members) will not get the watermark and will probably get immediate download rights in the size that suits them.

Access for a logged in member will be dependent on acceptance of the terms of use (a bit like the one you read when installing your computer operating system) Paraphrasing it: Do not upload anything you do not want to be seen by others. And yes, there has to be an upside for other club members* Take a look at HERE and see if we have missed anything. What we wish to avoid is the inadvertent passing off of copyright ownership as many members do when publishing to Twitter or Facebook. Fortunately we have at least a couple of us in the club that know a little about this and I can assure anyone that has got this far in reading my post that we can bore you to tears with the 'consultancy' reply.

So what have you seen so far?
A 'Public" facing set of images - simply to test searches etc (watermarked) - These numbers will be reduced substantially once we go live
A 'Protected Porsche Post Archive" - To show club history to non members - This will disappear once all Club Members get access

What will you see?
Whatever is felt important to all club members, decided by nominated club members. But under a 'Club Archive' Tab

You should see what Peter Cook has tucked away in the Club Archive. A project to digitise that would be several years work and is recognised by Porsche AG to be of significant value too.

I enclose a link HERE of another site that carries about 500K images. Public facing stuff is for sale and fan use. Private areas for Sponsors, Partners, Brand Development etc etc. There are many ways of sharing such content (public and private) The roots of the software are within news publishing and copyright control is of prime interest

What you see today is the very tip of the iceberg and very much a long term project that we will need assistance with. Any volunteers?

If you need to reach me by phone to discuss this further then please ask anyone at the office for my home number. I am a rubbish typist and therefore much prefer using the phone.

Norman


 
Hi
There are many ways to page through.
Use the right and left arrows having selected the view you want. (Top RHS)
We have limited the view styles for non logged in users
Take a look here or here as examples
These again are for non logged in users. We have tried to keep the page display style straightforward initially
The scrolling mechanisms are dependent on browser type and design intent. Just paging through works for small archives. But there are already 135k images available (you just cannot see them yet)
If there was a set that you were interested in, then open a preview (bigger image) by double clicking on the thumbnail and then click on a link on the rhs
Hope this helps
Norman
 


Many if not all of my image were supplied to go with PPost articles and used to support the articles published and written by me or others - so possibly not available in electronic format except to the editor.My photos are hosted here and linked into the forum to support and let members view what activities the register has been on/doing.
To say I'm a little taken back seeing these images hosted in electronic format for all to grab is an understatement!!The fact even the words used 'for sale' is what raises my concerns higher still..

I like the fact that the images could be part of the club Archive to out live me and keep history- BUT the question should have been asked.This club went through an ugly phase with photograph ownership a while back over a book to celebrate Porsche, I would have thought that the lesson may have been learned...[&:] I know facebook tried to do the similar to this with images.
I seem to be the only one with concerns, so will see how this pans out-

 
Hi Norman can you clarify the position regarding photographs submitted to support register articles in Porsche Post. Currently I ask the car's owner if he/she is OK with a photo of the car appearing in Porsche Post. I do not ask if they are OK if the image is then made available online for viewing.

If images are to automatically be added to the online archive I would have to a) ask the car owner a much broader question regarding use of the image b) think more about issues such as number plates being on show and c) think much more about whether it is appropriate to include a particular picture to support the register article.

Ian.
 
The issue of copyright is not new and there was discussion last year. RW had an action item at the December 7 2013 Board:

QUOTE

Item 9.2 Copyright

PB reported the issue of Club photograph copyright remains unclear. There are almost 250,000 photographs in the archive to which ownership cannot be attributed.
RW will draft wording for members so it is absolutely clear that when a photograph is submitted to PCGB, the member is handing over copyright to PCGB.

END QUOTE

This kicked off a thread https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.asp?m=811842&mpage=1&key=copyright where members strongly disagreed with the board's model in favour of a normal licence for the Club to use in own publications but without the right to sub-licence without permission.

So a year on it would seem that as PB observed at the December 2013 board, the issue of Club photograph copyright remains unclear, judging by the reaction to the Archive.

Who will grasp the nettle and publish a Club policy that reflects the respective interests of media owners and the Club?
 
Hi Gary
Would you please repost this in the MediaArchive section. With all your experience we could naturally do with your input
Keeping track in two places doesn't help me to sort out the big issues from the small ones.
I dont do multi tasking (or at least that is what the other half tells me!)[:mad:]
Norman
 
Hi
Would you please repost this in the MediaArchive section with a new heading 'Copyright' This is of course something that has been discussed in many ways (before my time) and naturally a policy should be worked out sooner rather than later
The terms of use as a link published in an earlier post should make a good start. It is very much more transparent than the yada yada that others deliver
This is of course something that should in turn be moulded by the board and key individuals.
As to nettle grasping... I have done a fair share of that over 25 years in the electronic imaging business. But am still learning. It can be as simple as do not give your stuff to anyone. That 'kindof' works.
Many Thanks
Norman
 
Hi Ian
I will answer this shortly in the correct forum area. However this is stuff that is generally easier to explain on the phone. Precise image content (Plates etc) will have to be part of the T's and C's of upload, editorial and board policy. Naturally this would easier to set if we include knowledgeable people around the table. It shouldnt take long but our members will always have disparate views.
Happy Christmas
Norman
 
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