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Here's a report from the driving experience from yesterday.

Turned up a little early since the traffic was not as bad as I expected, so had a cup of tea. Had some sandwiches for lunch over introductions, and made some general comments about what I would like to achieve.

The car I drove was midnight blue, with grey interior, aero pack, carbon pack large, and 1600 miles on the clock. It was a manual with steel discs, Michelin tyres, standard 420 bhp, standard gear lever with no chrome surround or handbrake.

We got in the car and briefly dicsussed whether I had received any driver training before. I had a 3 hour assessment a couple of years ago primarily to see if I was safe, but no real formal driving tuition. I mentioned that I was sure that there must be areas for improvement.

We had a drive around some of the local roads for 15 mins or so on the way to Millbrook.
I made it about 3 miles before we stopped with the first comments. Rather than drive behind other traffic, the suggestion was to drop further back (I was more than 2 secs anyway, but more like 5+ secs). This gives you more room and the opportunity to assess the conditions ahead, which means that you do not have to brake just because the car in front does and you can plan your actions, i.e. you manage the space around you. Also tied in with this was some discussion about placing the car assertively, but not agressively, on the road.
There was then a question about what I could see, relating to the road, from our position. In my case it was that we were in a layby on a bend, just before a juction, the junction was a one-way road, since the lines on the road had two dotted lines on both sides of the dividing line, plus there was a no-entry sign, the central lines on the road were long with short gaps indicating a hazard, the road was unrestricted (i.e. national limit applies), the long central lines continued past the junction suggesting further hazards ahead or a twisting road, there was a sign on the right and there were white lines down the edges of the road.
I managed OK on this, except that I did it in the wrong order. I should have started with what was furthest away first.
The other comment was not to rush the gear changes, but to make then slightly slower and focus on smoothness and matching the revs more accurately. The smoothness is partly down to not being too familiar with the car (it wasn't bad, just that it could be better).

We drove for a few more miles (through a bit of a downpour) assesing road position, gear selection and general observation, before arriving at Millbrook.

Having signed in, it was noted that I needed to change the seat position, one click closer with the back a little less reclined. Additionally I was holding the steering wheel incorrectly - I was trying to hold it with both hands rather than my habit of driving with one hand only, but rather than 10 to 2, quarter to three was recommended with my thumbs on the spokes.
It was also noted that I did not turn the wheel smoothly enough - which is something that I had not noticed myself, but after having is pointed out is true.
The application of the brakes was also not as smooth as it could be. Whilst you can press them as hard as you like, the initial application, i.e. the transition from not braking to braking, should be hard to detect.

I was beginning to wonder if I should have said I just wanted to have a laugh and don't be too critical - but the comments were all constructive. It is a bit tough when you realise you can't steer, change gear, brake or even get the bl00dy seat right.

We then progressed to the hill route. This is fantastic. All the corners are different with significant height changes. There are a couple of key corners where you need to know what you are doing to avoid a heart beat quickening moment.
The surface was wet and I find it hard to judge how much grip there is, so I did not go particularly quickly, but focussed on smoothness, braking points, selecting the correct line and applying the power appropriately.
I was tending to leave everything too late, so that the car was not settled when turning in, and either turn in too early or late.
At the end the instructor did a lap at quite a decent speed to demonstrate what is possible with a little (or more likely, a lot of) practice. It lifted a front tyre on one of the corners and was definitely moving around on the tyres, but the balance and composure was very impressive. My ham-fisted attempts would not have been suitable for that level of speed and some car-armco interaction would have occured.
This really highlighted to me that I need to get some additional tuition and spend some time practicing.

Since I asked about the PSM, we then went and did some doughnuts a piece of apron. This was made easier by the wet conditions. What was surprising was how easy is was, how controllable the car is (if you have the space) and how much inertia is in the wheels - once they are spinning is takes some time for them to get grip when you dip the clutch.
With PSM re-engaged, it was not possible to get seriously out of shape. Even a lead-footed idiot could control it.

Next was the 1 mile straight. Rather than use this for land speed record attempts (since it was wet), although we managed 140ish mph, I spent some time braking.
I braked repeatedly from 100-0, feeling for the threshold, the point at where the ABS is just about to cut in. I also did some emergency stops, you can do this with your hands off the wheel and the car will stop dead straight.
Additionally I tried steering while the ABS was working and it is remarkably easy, with the steering not weighting up much at all.

Once the brakes had been allowed to cool, we went to the handling circuit, which is a loop of varying corners that are mostly on the flat. It is made of concrete and pushing too hard seemed unwise.

Finally we had the high speed circuit. The outer lane is set up so that you do not need to steer at 97mph. I mananged a 2 mile lap without touching the wheel (although my hands were only a few centimeters away, just in case).
Without crash helmets and with other cars on there, the limit is 130, so I went roudn a few times at 130 ish.

That was pretty much it and we then headed back to the hotel meeting point.
At millbrook at the same time were loads of caravans. Some caravan magazine was doing a group test to assess the best vehicle for towing them. They did not get in the way.
An AM Vanquish turned up just as I was leaving. It was disguised with tape, which seems strange since you can go and look at one in the showroom.

Just time for a cup of tea and a chat, and that was that. 4 hours used up.
You get out of it what you want and you just need to take the comments positively. Whilst I'm not a bad driver, it is still humbling to have all your weakness pointed out. What I should have done is ask if there were any strengths (I must be good at something?).
 
Cool day out, make me look forward to mine even more, I think they do the day also at Mira which is just up the road, but is sounds like the better day could be spent at Millbrook.
whats with the Avantar?, didn't you take your camera to the dealers!!

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They do the driving experience that you get included with the car at Chobham or Millbrook.
The Porsche driving experiences, as detailed on the website, are called PD1 and PD2. PD1 is carried out at Mira. This is what the guy said yesterday.
The content of the PD1 is similar to what I did but includes driving on the wet/slippery surfaces so you can slide the car about, plus braking on simulated ice.
The aim of both is similar, so there is some common content.

PD1 has to be completed before PD2. PD2 is tailored to what you want.

I found the time went quickly and I would have liked it to last for 2 days, but I guess this would have pushed up the cost of the car (since nothing is for free and the cost is included in the car).

I took the piccy for the avatar today, since I can't have a C4S piccy any longer. Due to the rain yesterday, the outside is not so clean (there is mud on the roads near me), so I looked for a piccy of the inside. I wanted the gearlever, since that has turbo on it, but the top comes out over-exposed due to the glare from the metal.
I did think of taking the camera to the OPC when I picced it up and taking a piccy of it in the middle of the showroom, or as I drove out of the (open) doors, but was too lazy. By the time I sorted it out all the paperwork I just wanted to get in it and get going.

I'll try to get a piccy of some part of it from a odd angle, something different to the standard external view, but I need to summon the creative juices and lounge about for 6 months looking for inspiration.
 
Finally had my Invite come through for the Millbrook training day. Having re-read this it seems a car was given to Stuart to use. I have however been told I will be using my own, so now need to get trackday cover, is this how it was for anyone else.
cheers Garyw
 
Depends on what driving day you are actually doing.

The one I did was included in the purchase price of the (new) car. For this you definitely get to do it in one of their cars.
I don't know about pre-owned puchases.
They have something of a backlog, but the aim is to be able to offer this to you after you have placed the order but before you spec the car, since they bring along a couple of well spec'ed examples. This is to tempt you with all the money sapping extras. However, at present you get it around the time you take delivery.
I had the choice of doing the day in my own car (they offered me the choice since their did not have the X50 or the short shift), but since I was no sure about what was actually going to happen, I thought it more sensible to use theirs.

You can however do the driving experience, PD1 (Porsche Driving Experience 1) which can be done at any time, not just when you buy a car. This is done in your own car.
You can also subsequently do the PD2, which you can tailor to include Millbrook if you want, and this is also in your own car.

The sport driving school days are also in your own car.

(You also get the same drivingexperience included if you buy a GT2 or GT3).
 
If you can't wait for Porsche, ring Bernard Aubrey, 01798 875211.

Will do a similar thing in your own car. Highly recomended.

Everybody should do a course like this, regardless of what they drive..........

Mel
 
The experience that I'm being offered is the one you get when you purchase a new turbo, you don't get anything with a S/H that I'm aware. I have re-read my paperwork they sent to me and at no point does it say 1 or 2. At no point was I asked if I wanted to use my own car. Maybe i shopuld of asked them.
The letter goes on to say that I need a full driving papers and test track cover, also will need at least half a tank of fuel. Is does mention for me to speak to the tutor and describe what I would like to get out of the day, so if that is tayloring!!
I don't have an issue using my own car, but you never know what you may end up doing at Millbrook
I think I will call them to clarify. Thanks for your replies
Garyw
 
Curious. I don't know why they should ask you to use your car from the outset.
You should be doing exactly what I did and I thought the whole aim was to use their vehicle.

I can only think that the perhaps a car is not available on your chosen day for some reason.
I would call them to ask.
 
Gary,

Using your car seems strange.

I did a morning with Bernard at Chobham in one of Readings GT3's before I ordered the car in February and last week I did the same Milbrook gig as Stuart again in amazingly the same GT3 (can't remember the instructors name but it wasn't as much fun as being with Bernard). This was what was called a 'depositors' day.

Regards
 
Awaitng a response from them, my Instructor will be a Gentleman by the name of Gordon.
Also awaiting a response from my insurance company.
Garyw
 
Same guy that had the misfortune to get me: Gordon Robertson (unless they have two Gordon's).
Put me relatively at ease, although as mentioned before you have to take the comments on the chin and remember that it is all for your own benefit.
Over tea and some sandwiches (or toast if in the morning I guess) you can say what you want to get out of it. I asked for him to be critical and said I wanted to reach the stage where I was not intimidated by the car.
What I found surprising is that given the opportunity to push the car I couldn't do it, not with someone next to me commenting. I just lacked the confidence to really go for it, but then there are no real run off areas, so going off is bad.
Hope it's dry for you, although the wet allows you feel the car moving without going too mental.
Subsequently, I have been trying to put the comments into practice (over the last 1500 miles) and it is very useful. Mind you I still can't shift down correctly (heel and toe), but my works shoes lack feel. I just wonder if wearing a different pair of shoes to drive to work in is a bit pretentious
 
I know Porsche owners who wear "pixie boots" every time they drive the car.

I guess if you want to feel safe and in full control it makes sense.

A pair of black trainers (so you don't look silly if you have to get out for some reason!) might be a good compromise?
 
Stuart, it is the same guy that I have, November 25th (only free date that I had)[:mad:].
I still have no response from either party, event or insurance, but I am quite looking forward to it either way. Gone for an afternoon session as I'm not to good at mornings[&:]. I'm still wrapping my brains on what I want to get out of it, alround experience?
I understand what you mean, I am terrified that the back end is going to let go and would love to find the point in a controlled enviroment, as this does slow me down quite a bit, especially when out on a cruise with other makes of sports cars..
If I learn one thing then its a good day out [:D]
 

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