mo30 kit
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Simon and I tend to be among the most realistic of all the posters here, and I have to broadly agree with him here.
Then again M030 is a classic example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and you might find someone who has heard of it and thinks it's the bee's knees who will pay over the odds because they don't know enough to realise it's actually not very good, nor that you won't have the full S2 kit for sale.
On the upside it was a good thing on your S2 as you will have bigger brakes and (should you want to, though I doubt it's necessary on the S2) you could upgrade to Big Black//Red calipers as a direct bolt-on as you have the hubs from the 250 Turbo.
Then again M030 is a classic example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and you might find someone who has heard of it and thinks it's the bee's knees who will pay over the odds because they don't know enough to realise it's actually not very good, nor that you won't have the full S2 kit for sale.
On the upside it was a good thing on your S2 as you will have bigger brakes and (should you want to, though I doubt it's necessary on the S2) you could upgrade to Big Black//Red calipers as a direct bolt-on as you have the hubs from the 250 Turbo.
u63af
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Thanks for the replies guys. I will probably put them on ebay when I get the new ones next year.
As for upgrading to the turbo, I always wanted the turbo but my brother had this s2 so seemed easier to buy this one. I am considering supercharging the engine in the future so will hopefully get reasonable power out of it. Dont want to downgrade to a 2.5 litre 8 valve! [
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As for upgrading to the turbo, I always wanted the turbo but my brother had this s2 so seemed easier to buy this one. I am considering supercharging the engine in the future so will hopefully get reasonable power out of it. Dont want to downgrade to a 2.5 litre 8 valve! [
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944 man
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I might be tempted to find out how much the struts will cost to re-build (and the rears if they arent still available new for very sensible money). Add to this a full set of 968 bushes and mounts and your car will be freshened up beyond all recognition. It really depends on what you want out fo the car: for many a good-as-new M030 suspension is more than firm enough.
T'eBay prices are unpredictable: Ive bid on new '68 M030 struts in the past and backed out at £50, where theyve sold for £65 (not in matched pairs of course). Another 'of course' is that, of course; £65 isnt what the winning bidder would have paid, its just a little bit more than the fellow who had the seciond highest bid would pay. For me Id have sat on them for £50 a corner, but a buyer hoping to fit them onto his standard or Koni sport suspended car would be in for a disappointment, because a lot more stuff would have been required thatd have made the cost of the struts inconsequential... Id be tempted to add a line to the effect that they arent a straight replacement, to save yourself grief in the future (if you dont have then rebuilt, that is).
Simon
T'eBay prices are unpredictable: Ive bid on new '68 M030 struts in the past and backed out at £50, where theyve sold for £65 (not in matched pairs of course). Another 'of course' is that, of course; £65 isnt what the winning bidder would have paid, its just a little bit more than the fellow who had the seciond highest bid would pay. For me Id have sat on them for £50 a corner, but a buyer hoping to fit them onto his standard or Koni sport suspended car would be in for a disappointment, because a lot more stuff would have been required thatd have made the cost of the struts inconsequential... Id be tempted to add a line to the effect that they arent a straight replacement, to save yourself grief in the future (if you dont have then rebuilt, that is).
Simon
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Welcome to the forum. I'm the moderator. I have an 8v 2.5 litre.....[8|]
Peter is doing it now, but it's not finshed. Having spoken to Ninemeister about their 968 conversion basically Colin told me straight out that it is a better fast road option than a track one as they suffer heat rejection issues when driven hard constantly. Add to that the cost compared with a Turbo and it isn't the obvious option.
Peter is our resident madman, in case you didn't know.[8D]
Peter is our resident madman, in case you didn't know.[8D]
u63af
New member
I was going to buy a turbo but the car I bought from my brother is a really clean s2 and I am keen to keep it. I was going to put a reltively small supercharger on with a 944 turbo intercooler and run it at about 4 psi. I would have thought that if I put on an oil cooler and the supercharger was intercooled that it would be ok on the track but I am maybe wrong on this one.
The ex-Ninemeister 968 does get used on track so it's clearly not that bad a situation.
I'd guess with light pressure you'd have far fewer issues also, but not having asked specifically the detail of the problem my assumption was that the supercharger itself has heat rejection problems.
I'm far from a supercharging expert, but my gut feel is that for a 3.0 engine you'd need a bigger 'charger with a big pulley so it runs relatively slowly rather than a small one as you're looking to push a relatively large volume at low pressure. A little 'charger would have to be working much harder to push out 4psi at lower revs and then at higher revs it would be working very hard indeed (simply because its operating speed rises with engine speed).
I'd guess with light pressure you'd have far fewer issues also, but not having asked specifically the detail of the problem my assumption was that the supercharger itself has heat rejection problems.
I'm far from a supercharging expert, but my gut feel is that for a 3.0 engine you'd need a bigger 'charger with a big pulley so it runs relatively slowly rather than a small one as you're looking to push a relatively large volume at low pressure. A little 'charger would have to be working much harder to push out 4psi at lower revs and then at higher revs it would be working very hard indeed (simply because its operating speed rises with engine speed).
pauljmcnulty
Active member
Not since they sold it and it was smashed to hell by the new owner....having been warned to go careful in the wet. [&o]
Supposed to be being re-built at pretty much what it cost.
Big Dave
New member
Paul
It depends which car your talking about, as they have done a few now,, over 10, I think....
When i had my S2 , i considered getting it SC,d, but worked out some rough costs + longevity issues + decided against it...
If its your first Porsche [ front engined] ide suggest having some driving lessons from a reputable instructor. That would be worth far more than "slapping" a SC on the car.....+ youl poss find you can then run rings round other "so called" more powerfull cars....[
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Peter Empson
PCGB Member
Oi! I resemble that remark [
]I obviously have no experience of the charger as it's still in a box. I have heard so many differing reports that I'm really not sure what to expect when we fit it, but I'm not expecting it to be a plug and play mod (cooling does seem to be the main one, but I have some ideas about that). My car will get used hard on the track as it always has been, so we'll work out the bugs or start from scratch (or get some common sense and whack in a turbo).
Very sad to hear about the 9M 968, it was a stunning looking bit of kit, but I'm pleased to hear it's being rebuilt.
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