More power for my 944 turbo
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edh
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That sounds like the top end of what's possible for the 26/6 turbo - have a look at the charts on Rick's site http://www.cannell.co.uk/944%20UK%20League.htm to see the dyno results & corresponding mods for similar cars.
The big assumption I'm making here is that everything else is 100% - I guess you'll want to check for vac leaks, make sure the ignition system is good, etc...
I would have thought the cheapest route was Tial DPW, manual boost controller (and proper boost gauge [
] ), Chips (Jon Mitchell, 951 Max, Vitesse, Promax). (Then start saving for a new h/g if you're upping the boost [] ). Shouldn't cost you more than £6-800, depending on your choice of components. Then there's the cost of fitting....
You'll get a big increase in mid range torque, boost coming in earlier, so even if the car doesn't make massively increased headline numbers, it'll be much quicker on the road.
With the current exchange rate, it's very cost-effective to buy parts from the US - IIRC someone on the forum got a good deal from Speed force racing recently on the Tial & adapter plate.
The big assumption I'm making here is that everything else is 100% - I guess you'll want to check for vac leaks, make sure the ignition system is good, etc...
I would have thought the cheapest route was Tial DPW, manual boost controller (and proper boost gauge [
] ), Chips (Jon Mitchell, 951 Max, Vitesse, Promax). (Then start saving for a new h/g if you're upping the boost [] ). Shouldn't cost you more than £6-800, depending on your choice of components. Then there's the cost of fitting....You'll get a big increase in mid range torque, boost coming in earlier, so even if the car doesn't make massively increased headline numbers, it'll be much quicker on the road.
With the current exchange rate, it's very cost-effective to buy parts from the US - IIRC someone on the forum got a good deal from Speed force racing recently on the Tial & adapter plate.
Diver944
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Disgraceful behaviour [
] My own K26/6 car made 282bhp with Tial wastegate and chips running at 16psiIf you replace the wastegate with one that can hold higher boost, you also need a set of chips and uprated fuel pressure regulator so that you do not run lean and damage the engine.
Promax do a level 2 kit which provides everything you need in a box for £799 with UK support and fitting if you need it http://www.promaxmotorsport.com/promaxkit2.htm
www.RPMPorsche.co.uk and www.JMGarage.com will do the same thing using different parts but they don't have a menu pricing website
Alternatively you can mix and match some seperate components from the US to achieve the same thing for less because of teh current excellent exchange rate:
TiAL 38mm wastegate from www.speedforceracing.com $269 US
951MAX level III chips from http://www.maxhpkit.com/ $250 US
Dual Port wastegate from www.lindseyracing.com $419 US
Just noticed that Lindsey now sell the MAXhp chips too so you can get a package from them.
Check out Rick Cannells website spreadsheet for a huge amount of data from our independant testing at several 944 Dyno Days all on the same rolling road at WRC Silverstone:
http://www.cannell.co.uk/944%20UK%20League.htm
appletonn
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Rearrange this well known phrase: "slope slippery"!!!!....
...but oh so much fun[][][][][]
Speaking as someone who has now caught the tuning bug badly with my 944t - and that's after only 2 months!!
Lindsey Racing do kits too, as Paul says and the one fitted to mine seems to do what it says on the tin - slightly more boost and power/torque, arriving earlier down the rev range = quicker in the real world than before and easier to drive... ..'ish![][]
The tuning bug is only limited by the depth of your pockets, I've found[8|]
...but oh so much fun[
][][][][]Speaking as someone who has now caught the tuning bug badly with my 944t - and that's after only 2 months!!
Lindsey Racing do kits too, as Paul says and the one fitted to mine seems to do what it says on the tin - slightly more boost and power/torque, arriving earlier down the rev range = quicker in the real world than before and easier to drive... ..'ish![
][]The tuning bug is only limited by the depth of your pockets, I've found[8|]
924nutter
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sawood12
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The Promax L2 kit running at 15psi will get you to 275bhp (corroborated on two cars at the last rollers day) so an extra PSI could very well get you that extra to achieve your goal. The MBC bleeds boost as well, in fact it doesn't hold max boost at all, so i've got an EBC waiting to be installed. I'm hoping that by holding max boost a little longer (the K26/6 should be capable of holding 15psi for a couple of thousand rpm before running out of capacity) should get my 275bhp into the 290's (maybe even 300 if i'm lucky). I don't really want to push much above 15psi as my chips are mapped for 15psi and I don't want to overstress the engine too much as its on the original HG.
Just as an aside my first step was to replace the wastegate for a DPW and set the max boost to stock and on the Welmiester rollers I got 240bhp so the difference between a SPW and a DPW with everything else being equal (i.e. stock) is 20bhp. Sort of stokes the fire for the conspiracy theorists.
Just as an aside my first step was to replace the wastegate for a DPW and set the max boost to stock and on the Welmiester rollers I got 240bhp so the difference between a SPW and a DPW with everything else being equal (i.e. stock) is 20bhp. Sort of stokes the fire for the conspiracy theorists.
AndrewS
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Hi Andrew,
You can use the wastegate without further modification (at 0.7bar if you retain the overboost protect functionality). However, to get the most out of it, it is advisable to use suitably mapped software (essentially the DME EPROM in the ECU), a 3.0 bar FPR (Fuel Pressure Regulator) to replace the standard 2.5 bar unit and a suitable boost controller. An EBC (Electronic Boost Controller) is a better option than an MBC (Manual Boost Controller) and will allow you to hold your desired boost setting to the redline. With 1.0 bar (~15psi), expect to see about 280bhp - 300bhp, up to 1.2 bar, you may see up to 310-320bhp. All depends on the health of your engine, integrity of your vacuum circuit and whether your bypass valve can hold boost; a piston type is a better solution (as per 993 Turbo, Bailey DV30 or BoostSciences).
All the above extra mods will give you a lot more performance and maximise your wastegate upgrade for not much extra cost. Use the best fuel you can lay your hands on (Tesco 99, Shell Optimax or BP Ultimate) and enjoy going a little faster ;-)
Regards,
Andrew
sawood12
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As Andy said you can run a DPW with an MBC on stock chips if you set the boost pressure to stock. I did and it ran fine - most of the time. I did experience overboost in some situations though so you are better installing aftermarket chips. Overboost protection is not a nice experience.
rcsalmons
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Andy
I recently purchased a Tial 38mm wastegate with adapter kit from Speedforce Racing in the US - £230 inc shipping and duty.
Maxhpkit chipset, 3 bar fpr, and MBC from Lindsey racing - £220 inc
Planning on fitting over the next month or so then back on the dyno all being well April.
Rich
I recently purchased a Tial 38mm wastegate with adapter kit from Speedforce Racing in the US - £230 inc shipping and duty.
Maxhpkit chipset, 3 bar fpr, and MBC from Lindsey racing - £220 inc
Planning on fitting over the next month or so then back on the dyno all being well April.
Rich
rcsalmons
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I know, I know - when I typed recently I thought to myself I have had these since last September. Still been busy on the car over winter - had to remove the hubs as the bolts holding the calipers on were rounded. So all front running gear has been removed shot blasted painted, new bolts, bushes, track rod ends etc etc
While I'm thinking of it anyone know where I can get the Koni spanner for adjusting ride height on M030? - Please PM me - dont want to hijack thread
Rich
While I'm thinking of it anyone know where I can get the Koni spanner for adjusting ride height on M030? - Please PM me - dont want to hijack thread
Rich
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