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Moving 7's at front, tyre size?

Greg Park

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Decided to fit 9's to the back with 245/45/16 tyres, but not sure which tyres will be best on the 7's upfront.

Chices look to be:
1) 205/55/16
2) 205/50/16
3) 225/50/16
3) 245/50/16

I'm leaning towards 2) or 3) (3 is preference), but I've just had the geometry reset so I don't want to do it again.

Which is the best solution which will fit and should I fit spacers upfront as well?

 
No spacers - your clearance will be plenty tight enough as it is.

All of 1, 2 and 3 will work. 4 is a non-starter, as a 245 is far too wide for a 7 inch rim. The 205/55 is the best fit for 4 reasons. First, it is the "best size for a 7 inch rim as it is nicely stretched and performs considerably better than on a 6. Second it is the closest of the options in rolling circumference to the 245/45 you have for the rear. Third, it should not rub on the fender lip - which is where you may have clearance issues (because the 7 compared to a 6 has all the extra width on the outside). Fourth, it keeps the ride compliance that most people value on the road because of the slightly taller sidewall. The 205/50 offers slightly better performance as its shorter sidewall will give a little sharper turn-in and less flex and because it is smaller (ie less tall) it often doesn't rub where a 205/55 may rub, but, because it is smaller, it looks a little goofy and results in a lower front ride height. The 225/50 is on paper a better match to a 245/45 in terms of understeer/oversteer balance. Many people think that a 205/245 combo will give too much understeer. They are right, to some extent, but in my experience it really doesn't change things enough to worry about. The 2 problems with a 225/50 on a 7 up front are that the tyre works better on an 8 than 7, so it doesn't in reality offer much more than a 205, and secondly, it makes rubbing on the fender a strong possibility - in fact almost a certainty.

From my experience, I would choose on the basis of your alignment specs - please let us know what they are. If you have between something like 0.5 degrees negative camber you will not fit anything bigger than a 205 without rubbing the fender lip. Even then, you may need to roll the lip. If you have 1 degree negative you should be ok with 205s. If you have 1.25 degrees you might just squeeze a 225 in there if you roll the fender lips as well. It is not normally possible to get more than 1.25 degrees neg without a strut brace to crank the strut towers together a bit or other modifications for more camber, but, if you can get 1.5 degrees neg you should get a 225 in ok.

Your 4th option should have been a 225/45, which is the same size as a 205/50 in height and has the extra width. This sometimes fits where a 225/50 will rub.

One other thing to note, stiff torsion bars make things a lot easier - but I assume you don't have those.

Finally, all our cars are a little different. The LHS generally seems to be the tighter fender, so try that first. If you have to roll the fender lip, it is no big deal. Just use a heat gun to soften the paint before you start and take it slowly. A baseball bat works well as a tool for fender rolling and you normally only need to do the 12 inches along the top. If you have max castor in your alignment then you may rub a little forward of the highest point of the arch.

HTH,
Richard
 
Thanks Richard, will check my alignment specs tonight.

I had a strut brace fitted, so that's going to help.

Looks like a 205/55/16 will be the best option.

Greg



 
Yes, I guess I could have summarised by saying its the best option unless you want to do a lot of other "stuff".
 
Greg,
Just before I sold my 3.2 I switched 225/50/16 onto 7s on the front and 245/40/16 on 9s on the back. As far as I could tell in the few days before selling there were no rubbing problems and I was running standard suspension geometry AFAIK - I didn't get a chance to try it on track, where I suspect any issues would have come to light. The current owner has not mentioned having any problems so I can only assume that all is well - I did tell him to keep a close eye on it.
As Richard says, every car seems to be different, suck it and see. Another thing to consider is that some tyres come up wide or narrow for a given stated size, not sure which fit into each category, but I was running Toyo Proxes T1S.
 
Yes, problems will be much more apparent on track. With 225/50s and 1.25 degrees negative and rolled arches I got rubbing only when I had a passenger of 80+kg. I first noticed it at the Nurburgring on the downhill right handers leading down to Adenau bridge. It was not enough rubbing to curtail the fun, it just sounded bad but did little more than remove a little lettering from the sidewall.

Rideheight also is relevant. I think, IIRC, I was a little lower than Jamie at the front.
 
My alignment specs are:

Left Front -0 degrees 04' Camber
Front Right - 0 degree 02' Camber
Left Rear -1 degree 01' Camber
Right Rear -0 degree 57' Camber

I've currently got Toyo Proxes T1S on 205/55/16 (Front on 6's) & 225/50/16 (Rear on 7's), however the rears need to be replaced a.s.a.p. which is why I need to decide on which option to go with.

If I go 225/50 on 7's at front I'll need to buy new ones, or I could move the 205/55 onto the 7's.

Thoughts please.
 
No point in junking perfectly good tyres, so stick with what you've got for now. I was very happy with the T1S both for road and occasional track. When the 205s wear out then think about going for 225 at that point (that's what I did !). If you wanted to change all four corners then you could do worse than to have a look at Bridgestone SO2s - generally thought of as the best all rounder for the 3.2, but more expensive than the Toyo.

Jamie
 
Exactly - try the 205/55s at the front and buy some new rear covers. The T1S is a great tyre and well priced as well.

I think it is highly unlikey you will fit a 225/50 up front with basically zero camber. If you want to try the 225 you will need to get ti realigned to a fast road track set-up. I hope I am wrong but I think you are likely to have rubbing even with the 205s - but then every car is different. Worst case, you have to spring for an alignment and have the fenders rolled - hardly the end of the world in the context of 911 bills.

Slightly OT, but next time you need an alignment, you may want to ask for a fast road or track day alignment not the standard specs. a bit of negative camber makes a world of difference to the way these cars handle and if you drive aggressively from time to time, it probably makes your tyres last longer to boot. Just curious, who did the alignment (so I can avoid them [;)]).
 
J Z Machtech, but to be fair to them I didn't ask for a fast road set-up.

I just assumed (which you should never) as I was having sport shocks, strut brace etc fitted they'd set it up for fast road.
 
Hmm, that's why I took my business away from them.

My car had a full suspension out job done when I bought it and got new Bilsteins at the time. It came back looking like a 4x4 and I had to pay to have it pulled apart again and lowered to normal (I asked for lower than euro spec but for whatever reason they didn't do it). I asked why they didn't lower it the first time when they put it back together and they said "because you didn't ask" and gave me some bullsh!t about it having to settle. I couldn't stomach a third trip to JZ and more cost so I lived with it for a couple of years. Unfortunately it took me a while longer to move to JAZ.
 

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