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My 924 won't start

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Model: 924
Engine: 1984cc (non-turbo)Year: 1982
Problem: Won't fire

Hi

I wonder if anyone can help. I recently acquired a 924 and drove it once, but since have been unable to start it: the engine turns over, but doesn't fire. I have checked the following:

Starter Motor: The motor has been tested and cleaned up and cranks the engine at a reasonable speed

Distributor / coil: the plugs are sparking well and the voltages on the coil all check out. The rotor arm on the distributor has been replaced (original cracked) and the HT leads and plugs renewed.

Timing: The timing is correct.

Ignition Control Box (Bosch): All the voltages / resistances check out, and there is no sign inside the unit of any damage / melting etc.

Fuel Pump: The pump is working and fuel is being delivered at high pressure to the distribution unit, from which I infer that the relay is functionning correctly.

Auxiliary Air Valve: The resistance checks out at 30 ohms and air flows freely through the valve when cold.

Cold Sart Injector: Fuel is duly being injected and the plugs are wet after cranking. However, the thermo time switch doesn't seem to be functioning, since the voltage delivered to the cold start injector does not seem to stop even after cranking for more than 10 seconds. The resistance of the thermo time switch checks out at infinite, from which I infer that it's broken. Although this shouldn't prevent the car from firing when cold, I have tried bridging the thermo time switch while cranking and breaking the circuit after 10 seconds, but with no result.

One thought is that the cold start injector is flooding the engine preventing it from firing, but I have tried cranking the engine with the plugs out to clear it and this has made no difference.

Air Inlet Valve: If the rubber pipe is disconnected and the valve is lifted manually with a magnet while cranking, the fuel distribution unit duly engages and injects fuel to each cyinder ( this can be heard happening). This seems correct since the cold start injector should cause the engine to fire which in turn will induce enough vacuum in the air inlet manifold to raise the air valve and thus inject fuel from the distribution unit to the cylinders.

DME: Although I have heard this is a common problem, this car does not seem to have a DME unit

I would be grateful of any suggestions because, to be honest, I have run out of ideas, and would like to get the car going so I can proceed to some bodywork restoration.

Thanks

Will
 
On the underneath of the glove compartment is a secondary fuse box - these fuses are springloaded into position and over time the springs bend apart. They hold the fuse in place but not tightly. The one for the fuel pump will probably have arcked and burnt across the tips - piece of glass paper cures that. Light and careful judicious bending of the fuseholder springs makes it all tight and grips the fuse properly again.

HTH

SteveS
 
Sorry not the fuel pump one, but of the others controls the engine ignition. Sorry can't remember which one,

SteveS
 
This certainly looks similar to a problem I had with my 924. If you are certain that the plug leads have been replaced correctly, in my case it turned out to be a problem with the ignition module. It is difficult to explain why or even believe that if the module is delivering a spark the engine will not run. I am no electronics expert so I don't profess to be able to offer any sound scientific explanation. The physical manifestation is that although everything seems to be set right, on all the timing marks, the spark is either arriving at totally the wrong time, or although a spark is visible it is too feeble to ignite the mixture. To prove or disprove the module, see if a friend can loan you one to try. You will have great difficulty in geeting a breaker to lend you one. They usually retail s/h at about £85. If they are still available from Porsche Centres the price is likely to be close to £400 with vat if not more. Where are you located?

 
If you need an ignition module, go onto ebay and contact one of the secondhand 924 parts specialists. I think that £35 to £40 is nearer the mark. I sold one last year for £30.

Now if it was for a 924 Turbo series 1, I have one of those surplus to requirements.
 
Thanks Steve

I will give this a go tonight or over the weekend.

Fingers crossed

Will
 
Thanks

I'm going to check out the secondary fuse box, and then look into the ingnition module business.

I am located near Aylesbury in Bucks.

Will
 
I am in Marlow. I have a good module in a sealed container to keep the air out. If you like I could come over and you could borrow mine to try on your motor to see if it ackles. Leave it up to you to decide.
 
Thanks

That's very kind of you - I'm bidding for one on ebay at the min - am hoping it will go pretty cheap. Will let you know how I get on with it...

Will
 
You sold that way too cheaply. Lodge sports relieved me of £75 thank you very much. If you get one cheaper then that's your good luck.
 
Thanks for these suggestions but still no luck: the secondary fuses all seem ok, and a replacement ignition module (£26.10 on ebay) didn't seem to make any diference. Has anyone got any more brain waves?
 
I'll have a gander as you are near, see what I can make of it. What is your address, when is convenient for you over the weekend? You can email me via the forum
 
Hi

That would be great - around oneish on Saturday if that fits in ok with you. The addres is:

Tudor House
49 High Street
Whitchurch
HP22 4JA

It's a big white house opposite the White Horse Pub, roughly half way along Whitchurch High Street by the phone box. My mobile number is 07832 110 542 ( leave a message if I don't answer because the reception can be poor around there).

Hopefully see you on Sat

Will
 
Have just acquired 924S, registered on pcgb forum today and found yr 924 strand! I remember from my 944-owning days that the car will not start unless predefined minimum cranking rpm is achieved. Not sure what the car's brain then does to stop it firing, though!
 
I believe it inhibits the fuel pump relay; this would also prevent fuel spewing out of a ruptured hose in an accident with a stalled engine but with live ignition. On the 924 the fuel pump relay operates with the starter, but cuts out about a second after the key is released unless it gets a signal from the coil.
 

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