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My first Turbo

oceancarrera

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I haven't had so much time on forums of late due to relentless work and family commitments the past couple of years. A couple of weekends ago, I was offered another 911 by my friendly OPC and then debated briefly with a friend on whether a new car would be a good idea (especially during these times)... and as he said, sometimes such opportunities come along and you just need to take them. And so this past weekend I collected a 997.2 Turbo S - my first 911 Turbo of any generation. I am grateful for the chance to now share some initial thoughts on the TurboS, and in comparison to my previous runner - a 7.2 GTS4. Previous 911s included a 993 and a 6.1GT3.

After driving Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshires' finest roads this weekend, the 997.2 Turbo S is a magnificent car and indomitable force on these Autumn roads. If cars were fighter planes, the TurboS should be the infamous F15E Strike Eagle of road cars. It is renown, familiar in name, proven, multifunctional and superior in intent, devastatingly fast and powerful, and ruthlessly effective.

Approaching the car, the now familiar 997 body enclothes a relatively modest interior with a refined finish evolved through 50 years of the traditional vertical five dial facia. It is supremely comfortable with the dynamic sports seats - beautifully finished with stitched leather everywhere with a smattering of backlit carbon on the door sills. It is well finished and functional - but never lavish. It makes the younger 991 chromed plastic interior appear garish in comparison.

Coming from a 997.2 GTS4, the TurboS is a surprise in several ways. Although they share the same widebody chassis, the overall feeling in the TurboS is one of relative lightness compared to the GTS4. The TurboS steering is significantly lighter, and under power the car feels like it is always adjusting its footprint for maximum grip and positioning - like a cat poised to pounce on an ever moving board. There are several topline technologies at work here: the Dynamic Engine Mounts can be felt restraining a surplus of momentum at the back, and the combination of Torque Vectoring (PTV) and PDCC significantly enhances the driving experience with the PTM transparently shuffling the traction between the four corners (unlike the non-PTM equipped 7.1 generation viscous 4wd coupling). Surprisingly, the Torque Vectoring (PTV) makes its presence known early: even at slow speed, the TurboS possesses remarkable agility and a sensation the car pivots around you more like a mid-engined car instead of the traditional rear weight 911 bias (it is still there in the TurboS, just less so). In comparison, the GTS4 (benefitting from PTM and a LSD, but lacking the PTV, Dynamic Engine Mounts, and PDCC) has a steering helm that is heavier and perhaps more feelsome. But it feels like a blunt tool bludgeoning the road in comparison to the TurboS that seems to dance across the tarmac.

A 911 - in fact any car - that can hit 60 in less than 3 seconds and 100 in c.6.5, is always going to be remarkable as reported by the likes of EVO or CAR. But make no mistake, the reality of the TurboS hitting those numbers with such ease is simply breathtaking. In gear, other vehicles on the road are mobile chicanes, any gap seems reasonable, and lane changing HGVs virtually an irrelevance. On a litre class superbike, such traffic is dispatched with similar chronological ease, but you are acutely aware of your fragility as crosswinds will tilt your path around larger vehicles. Not so in the TurboS. The surefooted poise and superbike humbling acceleration, with supreme ease of use makes you feel peerless amidst traffic. The TurboS changes direction - or should that be it's angle of attack - with immediacy. Not scalpel precision like in a GT3, but with an immediacy given by the combination of inflight chassis and drivetrain dynamics with relentless turbine power orchestrated together in perfect unison. Plant the right foot, and the car squats and squirms, then just catapults you 10-20 car lengths ahead of everything that was once ahead or alongside you. The TurboS is an awesomely fast car.

One weekend in, and my previous experiences and expectations of the 911 have been rewritten. I adore the precision, rawness, and linearity of the GT3 especially on track. I deeply appreciate the all roundedness of the 997.2 Carrera S - the 3.8 DFI engine is a free revving gem of a motor and probably all the engine/car one could ever need. But the 997.2 TurboS brings another dimension to the 911s repertoire. It has a deftness of touch, a luxurious composure on road and within the cabin (it is quieter and calmer in the cabin than either a GT3 or CarreraS/GTS), and the near instant power-on-demand and ability *to be where you look* is unrivaled by any machine I have previously experienced. It may not be a jack-of-all-trades, as it feels like a master-of-all-trades. It owns the road.

As a slight adrenaline junkie, my sportsbike provides all the visceral rawness and sensory overload you could want when pushing yourself physically at speed. The TurboS, however, provides supreme confidence to scythe through and nullify traffic, combined with undoubted continent crushing ability. It appears to be the ultimate expression of road-going 911 power and efficiency, and it has achieved it with such devastating and remarkable execution that I would be surprised if one could ever grow tired of it. How the 991TT will better this will be interesting. But in the meantime, for all the reasons, I am both very grateful and smitten.

Thanks for taking the time to read, and safe driving everyone.

Cheers,
OC

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Congratulations on your new steed.

It's a cracking piece of kit, isn't it? I'm delighted you're enjoying it. [:)]

I've been blessed having driven some of the finest cars produced in my lifetime and the Turbo 'S' is right up there with them. The thing is, it is practical and usable in almost any circumstance - not something you can say about most of the exotica currently available.

In the real world and on the road, there's very little that can touch it and you can get 25 mpg too! [8|] It's a miracle of modern engineering really! [:D]

Looking forward to seeing it on a 997 Register event v.soon! [;)]

Regards,

Clive.
 
Great write up, as an owner of the same car for nearly two years I can totally agree that it's an epic machine, good choice.

I took mine to Italy earlier this year via Imola, Modena and Maranello, then the Stelvio and St Bernadino passes, Stuttgart and the Ring and it was awesome.

However it's now up for sale, see the forum under cars for sale, to try something else namely a Fezza and a track race car instead, awaiting the new turbo.

By the way Lancerlot, the faulty rear carbon ceramics were changed by Porsche in a sensible way eventually but only by going to the UK MD.

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Another convert..[:D]
Normally the quietness of the cabin is slated by motoring jurnos but real world it's all the better for it...

Looks and sounds like a very nice spec'ed motor..
I had been looking for one myself but couldn't find the spec I wanted... they didn't hang about on the forecourt for long!!
garyw
 
David, sounds like a result on the disc then, shame it took such a fuss from Porsche GB [:(]

garyw
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

Congratulations on your new steed.

It's a cracking piece of kit, isn't it? I'm delighted you're enjoying it. [:)]

I've been blessed having driven some of the finest cars produced in my lifetime and the Turbo 'S' is right up there with them. The thing is, it is practical and usable in almost any circumstance - not something you can say about most of the exotica currently available.

In the real world and on the road, there's very little that can touch it and you can get 25 mpg too! [8|] It's a miracle of modern engineering really! [:D]

Looking forward to seeing it on a 997 Register event v.soon! [;)]

Regards,

Clive.

Thanks Clive, indeed it is an absolutely wonderful machine that delivers even more than I had expected.

ORIGINAL: garyw

Another convert..[:D]
Normally the quietness of the cabin is slated by motoring jurnos but real world it's all the better for it...

Looks and sounds like a very nice spec'ed motor..
I had been looking for one myself but couldn't find the spec I wanted... they didn't hang about on the forecourt for long!!
garyw

The Turbo S comes with all of Porsche's mechanical and performance enhancing options as standard - about 20k worth. PTV, Dynamic engine mounts, PDCC, PCCBs, PDLS, the list of acronyms goes on. You only need to spec aesthetic options as a whole... that being said, two options I am very happy with: illuminated carbon sills and the Digital TV tuner (perfect for watching the F1 whilst waiting for the missus shopping) [:)]
 
Great write up
if my literary skills could have amounted to your report I would have said exactly the same , mine is my very first 911 and wont be the last,
after I took that test drive on a cold winters day in December, the rest was history , just had to make the dream a reality , no pockets in a shroud.
as you say where will the 991 Turbo go from here ???
Im home in three weeks , and a drive to Scotland , thru the majestic valley of Glen Coe , where the highlanders line the ditches and stare in awe with their claymores beckoning and the deer wonder what that white monster is doing carving up their homeland , oh I am now just getting carried away , but if you have never been on the road from Crianlarich to Fort William , put it on your list
enjoy
 

ORIGINAL: hamishmoon
Im home in three weeks , and a drive to Scotland , thru the majestic valley of Glen Coe , where the highlanders line the ditches and stare in awe with their claymores beckoning and the deer wonder what that white monster is doing carving up their homeland , oh I am now just getting carried away , but if you have never been on the road from Crianlarich to Fort William , put it on your list
enjoy

Blimey, looks like we've a few on here who are looking for a 2013 Booker Prize nomination! [:D]

I last did that journey in 1973 in an Alfa Romeo 2L GTV. It was b. marvellous and I must get around to doing it again in a TTS, although I have unhappy memories of Fort William and may give that a miss! [8|]

Regards,

Clive.
 
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ORIGINAL: hamishmoon

Great write up
if my literary skills could have amounted to your report I would have said exactly the same , mine is my very first 911 and wont be the last,
after I took that test drive on a cold winters day in December, the rest was history , just had to make the dream a reality , no pockets in a shroud.
as you say where will the 991 Turbo go from here ???
Im home in three weeks , and a drive to Scotland , thru the majestic valley of Glen Coe , where the highlanders line the ditches and stare in awe with their claymores beckoning and the deer wonder what that white monster is doing carving up their homeland , oh I am now just getting carried away , but if you have never been on the road from Crianlarich to Fort William , put it on your list
enjoy
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Scotland is definitely on my list of to-dos - in the TTS and also the bike. Noticed you have a ZZR14... very nice - as close to a 2 wheeled land cruise missile if there was one.
Well done on jumping in at the deep end with the 911! You only live once.
 
my dream car ! (in speed yellow of course)

i run a C2s and your comment about it being all the car you really need in the real world is so true, however i still lust after a 997 turbo s in speed yellow !
 
I think in years to come the 997 will be looked back upon as a major milestone. A lot of the technological features that have been updated / enhanced / refined on the 991 to make it the better car, were first introduced on the 997, the turbo S being the crescendo, even more than the GT2/3 models in that regard. There are too many to mention, we all know them (although, I didn't think PDCC was one of them?).

I reckon the next few generations of 911 will mainly update what was developed on the 997 (I'm not referring to things like stop/start, electric steering, coasting) with only a couple of completely new performance innovations per generation. I may be completely wrong![:)] The only major enhancement on the horizon i'm aware of is the rumoured tri-turbo engine. Somehow they'll raise the game again from the already dizzy heights with that.

Anyone aware of any other major leaps forward that are coming on the 991?
 
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ORIGINAL: tackb

my dream car ! (in speed yellow of course)

i run a C2s and your comment about it being all the car you really need in the real world is so true, however i still lust after a 997 turbo s in speed yellow !

Speed yellow would be interesting - I wonder if they made any in SY? I hear that the TTS has only now ended production with only the last 1-2 cars coming off the line.
ORIGINAL: flat6

I think in years to come the 997 will be looked back upon as a major milestone. A lot of the technological features that have been updated / enhanced / refined on the 991 to make it the better car, were first introduced on the 997, the turbo S being the crescendo, even more than the GT2/3 models in that regard. There are too many to mention, we all know them (although, I didn't think PDCC was one of them?).

I reckon the next few generations of 911 will mainly update what was developed on the 997 (I'm not referring to things like stop/start, electric steering, coasting) with only a couple of completely new performance innovations per generation. I may be completely wrong! The only major enhancement on the horizon i'm aware of is the rumoured tri-turbo engine. Somehow they'll raise the game again from the already dizzy heights with that.

Anyone aware of any other major leaps forward that are coming on the 991?
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The 997 made more advances within it's generation than any other generation 911. It started as a facelifted 996 with a nice cabin, and it has ended as a 991 without the wider front track and 991 badge.

The 991 brings in three main differences I think:
1) the revised [wider] front end with overall chassis dynamics making the car feel more mid-engined (more stable at the rear)
2) more eco-friendly, with a focus on better weight management (lighter where it needs to be)
3) revised cabin architecture
I would be surprised if the 991TT increases the horsepower and acceleration by any significant margin. I suspect performance gains will be found through reduced weight and the more stable chassis.
 
Clive
I have lived close to that area most of my life and also have unhappy memories of trpoical storms or worse still , portable speed camera's in the middle of Glen Coe , comon , not a school in sight , not a human in sight , nothing , but a flash .
another perfect road is up to Eilean Donan castle and over then to Dingwall I think. the Speed cops there have just got delivery of the latest Raleigh Choppers , so all is well in that area. My old man had a GTV in silver Clive , thinking back how the changes since then. the roads have changed in 40 years no more ferries across the ballachulish Bridge now .
you know you want to go back .
cheers
 

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