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New 992.1 owner with doubts over condition of car at point of purchase

sun33t

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Hi everyone, apologies for the length of this post but I wanted to give readers the full context. I kind of need a little advice on what next steps I can take to put my mind at ease:

I'm new to the brand (and this club) and I purchased a 2019 registered, 992.1 Carrera 2 at the end of May 2024, with around 7000 miles recorded. From the first week, I wasn't convinced that it was driving right. It seemed to feel sluggish and heavy at low gears and I wasn't getting the typical experience that 911 owners recount of acceleration and smooth, responsive gear changes from the PDK (this is my first Porsche). I had also started to notice a high pitched chirping sound that was pretty much constant at any speed but most notable when driving slowly.

I took the car back to the OPC the week after I collected it to ask them about the sound and the driving experience. The sales-person who sold me the car rode along with me on a test drive and said that everything was normal, and that's just the way the car sounds and drives. He also said that the car was so sophisticated that if there was any issue, it would show up on the dashboard immediately. I took his word for it and drove home.

A few months and 4000 miles later, a warning appeared on my dashboard as I was driving home from work:

"Reduced Engine Power - Driving Permitted - Visit Workshop"

I didn't notice any change in power and luckily I was only around 10 mins away from my home so I parked it up in the drive and let the car rest for an hour or so. When I came back to it later and turned the engine over, the warning had disappeared. I was a little unsettled given that I had doubts from the first week of ownership. The following morning I called the OPC and the service centre said that the car needs to be looked at and that they couldn't book me in until November (around 2 months wait) but that I should call Porsche Assist instead, as the car was under the Porsche Approved Warranty. I did as they suggested and the technician came out the following day.

Upon his inspection, the car's log reported two failures with the radiator blinds and an electrical fault with the fuel injector on cylinder 6. He also noticed the chirping sound when turning the engine over and said that he'd not heard that before on a 911. In response to finding out about the fuel injector, he asked me if I had experienced any loss in power and I couldn't tell him that I had. The car had been driving the same since I bought it. He called the OPC and the car was booked in for the following day.

The next day, I dropped the car off at the OPC service centre and picked it up around two weeks later. It drives completely differently. It's an absolute joy and I'm that much happier for it. It's like a different car entirely.

This whole experience so far has left me a little conflicted and worried about the car.

On a positive note, I really value that the service centre in conjunction with Porsche Assist and the Porsche Approved Warranty that came with the car, were able to sort out a repair a couple of weeks and in that time I was provided with a courtesy car from Enterprise to keep me on the road. On balance, this was a really good service experience. It was disappointing that it had to happen in the first place but credit where credit's due, the team at OPC service did a great job fitting in the repair despite being so busy.

However, on the negative side, I've lost a lot of confidence in the Porsche Approved sales service. I'm concerned that this car was sold to me without the 111 point inspection being carried out thoroughly. This was described to me by the sales person as a completely thorough inspection and part of the reason why buying approved-used from Porsche is worth the premium.

I guess I need a little advice from experienced Porsche owners:
  1. Is it possible that I could have caused lasting damage to the car by driving it for a few thousand miles (not counting the miles that the previous owner may have driven) when the car was clearly experiencing some form of failure?
  2. Additionally, it doesn't bode well for the car's diagnostic systems that it diagnosed a fault correctly, showed the warning, and then the warning disappeared when I switched the car off and on again. Could I potentially find myself in a situation in the future where another silent failure occurs?
  3. In my area, there are around 3 independent Porsche service specialists and I'm wondering whether it's worth taking the car there for them to check it over - would that cost be advisable or should I be raising these concerns with OPC or Porsche directly and taking it up with them?

If you've read this far, thank you very much! I was hoping my first post on the forum when I joined would be more fun, but nevertheless, I'm so thankful that this community exists as I wouldn't really know who else to turn to for some help.
 
These write ups may help if you have proof that you reported this to the selling dealer soon after purchase. Legally you have 6yrs to return the vehicle if there was a fault present at time of purchase. As you reported the issue within 30 days of owning the vehicle the law would say the fault was present at time of purchase. That's critical and works in your favor.


 
These write ups may help if you have proof that you reported this to the selling dealer soon after purchase. Legally you have 6yrs to return the vehicle if there was a fault present at time of purchase. As you reported the issue within 30 days of owning the vehicle the law would say the fault was present at time of purchase. That's critical and works in your favor.


Hi TargaMel,

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and for the links you included. I had no idea that there was a prescribed process for speaking to the dealership about an experience like mine. It's been really helpful and I intend on having a conversation with them as soon as possible to see if we can come to some acceptable solution.
 
I think it unlikely that any long term damage will have occurred as a result of a faulty injector. I am not a mechanic but an injector not injecting fuel means that the cylinder was simply pumping air - that will not damage anything as far as I am aware. The fault with the radiator blinds is either fixed; or not, and should not be a long term concern.

In my experience, faults often appear on the dash and then clear. I don't know whether it's because of the complexity of the systems or just bad software but the warning soon disappears and never affects the car. I get the odd "phantom" fault, e.g. "PASM Fault" which goes away within seconds. and leaves no event in the on-board log There is no problem with the PASM and no one knows why this occasionally happens. I have also had a number of "real" faults and in all cases, the fault persisted in the display: spoiler error was a favourite when I got the car.

I suspect the injector was on the blink for some time but not detected for some reason. One would have expected the engine management to have detected the loss of power and it is disappointing that it did not.

My experience of buying from an OPC would suggest that the 111 point check is a bit of marketing. The last car I bought from an OPC has had issues emerge almost immediately. My 2019 C2S Convertible (purchased @ 6m old) had issues with the hood; rear spoiler; tracker; battery; within weeks. Since then, I've had an oil leak on one of the turbos, and more spoiler errors. IMO dealers simply rely on the warranty (which is good) to address faults that emerge rather than pre-empt them. It can feel disappointing given the marque. As a Porsche owner of many years, with very mixed experiences, I have got to the point of realising that Porsche dealers are no better than Fiat or Ford dealerships and have lowered my expectations accordingly.

Personally, I would put these issues to the back of my mind and enjoy the car safe in the knowledge that the warranty will cover any issues that still might emerge. However, if this experience is going to ruin your ownership experience, then I would go back to the dealer and tell them you want to return it.
 
I think it unlikely that any long term damage will have occurred as a result of a faulty injector. I am not a mechanic but an injector not injecting fuel means that the cylinder was simply pumping air - that will not damage anything as far as I am aware. The fault with the radiator blinds is either fixed; or not, and should not be a long term concern.

In my experience, faults often appear on the dash and then clear. I don't know whether it's because of the complexity of the systems or just bad software but the warning soon disappears and never affects the car. I get the odd "phantom" fault, e.g. "PASM Fault" which goes away within seconds. and leaves no event in the on-board log There is no problem with the PASM and no one knows why this occasionally happens. I have also had a number of "real" faults and in all cases, the fault persisted in the display: spoiler error was a favourite when I got the car.

I suspect the injector was on the blink for some time but not detected for some reason. One would have expected the engine management to have detected the loss of power and it is disappointing that it did not.

My experience of buying from an OPC would suggest that the 111 point check is a bit of marketing. The last car I bought from an OPC has had issues emerge almost immediately. My 2019 C2S Convertible (purchased @ 6m old) had issues with the hood; rear spoiler; tracker; battery; within weeks. Since then, I've had an oil leak on one of the turbos, and more spoiler errors. IMO dealers simply rely on the warranty (which is good) to address faults that emerge rather than pre-empt them. It can feel disappointing given the marque. As a Porsche owner of many years, with very mixed experiences, I have got to the point of realising that Porsche dealers are no better than Fiat or Ford dealerships and have lowered my expectations accordingly.

Personally, I would put these issues to the back of my mind and enjoy the car safe in the knowledge that the warranty will cover any issues that still might emerge. However, if this experience is going to ruin your ownership experience, then I would go back to the dealer and tell them you want to return it.
Hi Mike,

Thanks so much for taking the time to give me the benefit of your advice and I'm sorry to hear about the up and down experience that you've had over the years. I guess owning a Porsche is a labour of love!

I've had a think based upon the resources that TargaMel referred to above, and I also had a good chat today with one of the team members over at WeissachUK in Middlewich and have arrived at a similar place/conclusion to where you're at about the dealership. I'm also taking your advice to put the experience behind me and to rely upon the piece of mind that the warranty provides.

WeissachUK echoed what you said and also advised me to raise my concerns to the dealership about my experience to see if they can provide me any assurances for beyond the warranty period if I choose to keep the car. I've arranged to speak to the dealership to this effect, if for anything, just to ensure that my concerns are noted down should anything else happen in the short to medium term.

In the mean time, every evening I've gotten behind the wheel since the repair, I've just loved driving it and I hope it stay this way for the foreseeable!

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply to my post and I'll update here on Thursday, the outcome of my conversation with dealership, in case anyone's wondering what they said.
 
I agree with the above. Write to the Dealer Principle as you have in your first post and raise your concerns. At least then you’ve logged them with the OPC. I’d also cc in Porsche UK. You never know, they may offer to extend your warranty for a short period but I’d do this anyway when it comes to it.

For now though, enjoy the car. They truly are brilliant.

Dan
 
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