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lowndes

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After a wait of six months or so and a monsoon winter, D day arrived and thankfully March 1 was at least dry and sunny. Roads on the way up to collect the car were treacherous as overnight rain had fallen and frozen too late in the night for the gritters who were obviously all tucked up in bed. Black ice a plenty! It certainly reinforced the view that 255 on a 968CS is over tyred.

My OPC had 15 new cars going out plus assorted used so there was an element of production line in the hand over process. Note to self: if there is a next time (never say never) and March 1 is on a Saturday wait until Monday. In fairness OPC handled it very well and breakfast, coffee and cakes were in plentiful supply.

In the showroom, approaching the car from the side I think it looks just like a 997 except you can't help noticing the wheels. I wouldn't use the phrase drug dealer bling but they certainly wouldn't look out of place on the set of The Wire.

Tyres are Pirelli P Zero, and would be my third choice out of two; curiously the set I have have a rim protection bead on the fronts but not the backs.

The car from outside looks OK, intercooler intakes in black plastic don't really stand out against the sensible choice of Agate. However, there was a white car also going out and I didn't think it looked that good to have those bits in such a contrast. And of course this is a step backwards from Gen II 997.

There are a couple of creases across the front bumper which I guess add some styling clues to the wings and hark back to the days when the wings themselves were very prominent when seen from the driver's seat. I have in mind 964 and earlier. Not sure they add much really on the 991.

It does have a fat behind. It is actually wider at the hips than the extremity of the wing mirrors. Care needed in narrow gaps methinks.

Inside it looks well co ordinated. The Carrera Red is not too leery, although the accompanying photos may suggest otherwise and contrasts nicely with the black. Personally I always liked the 997 turbo S two tone interior but think this 991 version is better.

Generally speaking the 991 cabin represents an upgrade all round on 997. The only things that seriously grate are the nasty plastic sun visors and several blanks in the centre console which don't correspond to any option. The sun roof switches (not on my car) are in the middle of the console so these blanks must be for some Panamera or Cayenne options. Poor effort on a £140k car.

I eschewed the salesman's explanation of all the switches/options in PCM as I find it generally goes in one ear and out the other. I promised I would read the manual instead.

Then having sorted out a balls up with Cobra and stowed Anne's bouquet of flowers in the back we set off home.

With 10 miles on the odometer I was not really likely to be going to give it the beans but there is some noticeable potential for the future. That said at normal road speeds it is indistinguishable from 997 turbo as regards its ability to ease past or away from other vehicles. I never had much complaint with PDK on 997 though I know some were not that impressed with some of the mapping. However, I would be surprised if those same naysayers had reservations about the operation of the 991 version.

Turbo S has PDCC as standard so I was curious to know how it was selected and in that regard how it differed from PASM as found on 991 Turbo and 997's. As far as I can tell the answer is it isn't different in as much as just like PASM it is there and working all the time. OK it has a few more components in the anti roll assembly but as it says in the manual "No separate controls are available for the PDCC system. When you select a chassis set up in PASM the PDCC system automatically activates the corresponding on road driving programme."

However just to obscure matters the PADSM button with the usual shock absorber icon is labelled PDCC, even on cars without PDCC.

If when driving in normal mode Sport is selected the throttle response etc changes but PDCC light remains off and no obvious changes to suspension stiffness occur. Press PDCC and it feels marginally firmer but still compliant. So in that respect it is different to 997 where I found I had to turn off the firmer suspension setting that came as default when you chose Sport.

Confused? I am. Maybe all will become clearer once out on some open road.

I turned down OPC's kind offer of Gap Insurance and Supaguard but had arranged for G techniq to be applied by a specialist detailer. Paul, came over yesterday and having had a good look round said the paint was very good indeed. Not always the case in his experience but he was very happy with mine. Car was still showroom clean of course but he nevertheless spent 7 hours applying G Techniq and general fettling and faffing about inside and out. Paul assures me it will make it easier to wash the car, though I have to confess that is not one of my strong suits. He was not able to do much to the wheels because of the centre locks and the relatively small gap between the 410 rotor and the inner surface of the wheel. Fortunately that is all black so not something I am likely to be troubled by. Paul said the diamond cut wheels were a nightmare to refurbish so that has made me like the current wheel and centre locks even less than before.

So far it is early days and I have barely scratched the surface of PCM but did find the Power Meter which measures Torque. No scale on the y axis but a sort of pictogram of Table Mountain when the car is in normal mode which then has snow on the top for Sport mode. Within this diagram a sort of small round Satsuma bobs about leaving a faint orange con trail.....must mean something I guess.

Will report back once the car has a few more miles on the clock.

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Congratulations Nick. Wonderful piece of kit and nice colour combo. Looking forward to hearing your impressions once you've done a few miles. Give it some wellie - it won't mind a bit - honest! [8D] Regards, Clive.
 
I can think of one person who will approve of your colour combo. Looks fabulous Nick and an interesting article. You must talk nicely to your OPC to get flowers for SWMBO, haven't had that happen for years.
 
ORIGINAL: lowndes
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Now I must say I do like that having actually been in a very similar spec myself.[:D] I think the split works really well against when it used to be all red interior !! Congratulations Nick and do enjoy it[:)]
 
That's a very beautiful car - love the interior colour combination very much. Looking forward to hearing how you get on with it when you can really stretch it's legs. Enjoy !!
 
ORIGINAL: garyw
ORIGINAL: lowndes
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Now I must say I do like that having actually been in a very similar spec myself.[:D] I think the split works really well against when it used to be all red interior !! Congratulations Nick and do enjoy it[:)]
See I told you [:D][:D]
 
looking at the 997TTS last night in hatfield with all Carrera red interior and I must say I prefer your combo Nick-looks far classier (imho) trying to justify the outlay to mrs p [:D]as the massive poole project draws to a close!!
 
Great looking car Nick, I agree red with black really sets the interior off, look forward to seeing it on the LWOY. Your detailer has a valid point on the diamond cut wheels, having spent last week trying to get our BMW kerbed wheel repaired they are a nightmare!.Why have the tyre mfg, s seen fit to remove the tyre rim protectors rear only? my gts had them all round, but the 991 20inch front only, any members got any ideas?
 
No doubt they think by the time you've whacked the front one, you'd have the sense to steer away from the rear! [:D] Regards, Clive.
 
ORIGINAL: Peter Bull That's a very beautiful car - love the interior colour combination very much. Looking forward to hearing how you get on with it when you can really stretch it's legs. Enjoy !!
Very lovely indeed - except the red should be on the outside and the grey on the inside....[:D] I presume that was after the Gtechniq Nick?
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot No doubt they think by the time you've whacked the front one, you'd have the sense to steer away from the rear! [:D] Regards, Clive.
Of course that only applies to later cars with PSM etc, earlier models generally approached the scene of the accident backwards meaning you needed the rim protectors on the rears. [;)] Nick
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain Very lovely indeed - except the red should be on the outside and the grey on the inside....[:D] I presume that was after the Gtechniq Nick?
Yes Alan, taken after G Techniq. Of course you need to select a sensible car colour in the first place for G Techniq to work properly. [:D]
 
Yes, all gone very quiet. I would have expected £140k+ of new car to generate more feedback, or does it feel just like a 997.2 in the real world?
 
Sorry guys for the slow reply. Have been putting in plenty of driving miles, though mainly through Europe and all diesel power. As for the 991, its early days Clive and I have yet to have a proper run in it so perhaps a reappraisal after LWOTY will be in order, but as we stand the score card is somewhat mixed. Even though the rotors on my car are the old versions I have had no brake problems at the discs so far but a PDCC fault was dealt with by changing some bushes in the pedal box. Why those two are related escapes me for now but as there has been no recurrence of the PDCC fault I will take the cure on trust. As you would expect with 410mm rotors at the front the stopping power is immense but I find the brakes slightly over servoed requiring just the lightest of touches in most circumstances. As you know I rate the 991 cabin as an improvement on 997 in most respects so nothing too much to criticise. Of course there is some really gimmicky stuff in the driver information screen: All Wheel Drive, Power Meter, G Forces and the like. The trouble is you have to cycle through this nonsense to find more useful areas like Vehicle and Trip. And of course in the good old 930 days you didn’t need to hunt round a load of screens for interesting stuff like Boost which was a sub dial inset but I guess the Play Station generation can’t work without a menu system. As yet I haven’t been able to disable the things I don’t want but maybe it is possible if you know how. The rev counter doesn’t have the redline areas clearly segmented off which seems a mistake, though I guess with PDK you would be hard pressed to ever get there without having an almighty accident. DRL seems to be a permanent feature which can’t be disabled so I have to put up with four idiotic pin pricks of light in the headlights. Who thinks up this stuff? None of this really matters I guess but sometimes it seems change has been made for changes sake and without any tangible benefit ensuing. Out on the road things pick up a bit. PDCC is permanently on but which ever setting you chose the ride is tolerable even though it is constantly being adjusted by a bank of computers somewhere out of reach. Nevertheless I like the flat cornering and am pretty happy with the way it resists the tendency to lean when loading up the outside wheels. Four wheel steer. Not sure. You are certainly aware of it, especially at low speeds where the nose really tucks in very quickly. It is a bit less apparent at higher speeds when the system steers the rear wheels in the same direction as the front rather than the low speed counter steer. I think I would be happier if it were a passive system rather than an active one. Too much to go wrong if some computer can’t understand the signals and decides to do a PDCC type fail at high speed. I also wonder whether it is likely to become a maintenance headache once the new car tightness wears off. Exhaust note is generally better than 997T except for the resonant boom/drone around 2200rpm. OK I know I should have 7000 on the meter but unfortunately that is not consistent with retaining a licence. Which does bring us to the fact that this thing is very fast indeed. Almost alarmingly and effortlessly so and unless you keep a beady eye on the speedo there is every chance you will be travelling very much faster than you might otherwise have thought was prudent. I know we say that about the 997T but even more so in the 991. As I said at the start it is too early to properly judge whether it is worth the money. My guess is that the non S 991 turbo would deliver all I could ever handle without needing to waste money on centre locks and ceramics, though I would pay extra for PDCC. But then I was rather taken with the red leather interior [;)] It will be interesting to see whether my views have changed after LWOTY and an additional loop to Switzerland with a return trip up through the Black Forest and the German Autobahns. Cheers Nick PS A couple of observations on the technical (anorak) side. I note the oil temperature in non Sport mode is up around 110°C where as in Sport it is 90°C. It would be nice to think this is a bit of margin in anticipation of a surge of heat load during what the brochure calls sporty driving. What would not be so good was if it were a means of reducing the oil viscosity in normal non Sport mode in order to achieve emissions targets at the expense of proper lubrication. The other variable is the voltage. This can be anywhere between 12V and 15.5V depending on battery charge state but also engine load. I assume this means that there is a clutch in the alternator drive which is responding to input signals other than electrical. Presumably more emissions savings are the target but at the cost of another system ready to go wrong. And all to save how much power? After initial start up I would be surprised if the current being used was much more than 20amps ( I may be wrong). At a nominal 12V that is 240W. The turbo S engine is rated at 412kW.
 
ORIGINAL: lowndes Four wheel steer. Not sure. You are certainly aware of it, especially at low speeds where the nose really tucks in very quickly. It is a bit less apparent at higher speeds when the system steers the rear wheels in the same direction as the front rather than the low speed counter steer. I think I would be happier if it were a passive system rather than an active one. Too much to go wrong if some computer can’t understand the signals and decides to do a PDCC type fail at high speed. I also wonder whether it is likely to become a maintenance headache once the new car tightness wears off.
Interested on this bit, did you order the adaptive steering as well? I found exactly the same as you but on a common or garden C2 that had the aforementioned option ticked. It felt awful tbh, so just wondering if you had the same box ticked or is it just the four wheel steer?
 
Thanks Nick, One or two interesting insights there. Do you think oil temp variation could be due to speed differential? For example, in sports mode you are likely to be travelling quicker and therefore passing more air through the radiator. Also, is the weird voltage variation possibly be due to the regulator operating the AGM battery in conjunction with the stop/start and coasting functions? Clive.
 
ORIGINAL: Ekona Interested on this bit, did you order the adaptive steering as well? I found exactly the same as you but on a common or garden C2 that had the aforementioned option ticked. It felt awful tbh, so just wondering if you had the same box ticked or is it just the four wheel steer?
Dan Just standard electric assistance on the steering ( not Steering Plus or some such). Unlike some I find the elec assit steering so similar to hydraulic assisted versions as to be practically indistinguishable. Also to be clear my concern with four wheel steer is not so much the effect on handling when it is working properly but rather what happens when it packs up and for example the electromechanical actuators develop faults. Cheers Nick
 

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