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bennyboy

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Hi all, fully charged my battery now and the engine turns over much better than it has in the 2 months I've had my Turbo. It still wont start though and reading through the service history it looks like it hasn't had any new spark plugs for over 7 years! Think I'll try replacing these first, but am struggling to get the buggers out at the moment! Any suggestions for replacement plugs? Thanks guys, ben.
 
The standard plugs for a turbo are Bosch WR7DC or equivalent

Same plugs for over 7 years [8|][:mad:] Makes you sick that the previous owners would neglect to change a 10 quid part in a 165mph car and risk an engine that would cost over £10k list price from Porsche. I think you will find them a real pain in the a###e to get out after all that time
 
I think you will find them a real pain in the a###e to get out after all that time

I would wholeheartedly agree and therefore advise CAUTION when attempting to remove them. I'm speaking as somone who wasted an entire weekend removing a snapped plug a few years back in a Ford Ka that the wife used to have. It snapped just above the thread, which therefore remained in tension [:mad:]

No extractor bit would bite, so it was eventually deformed out and a new seat cut. Mahooosive PITA! [&:] (I found out afterwards that this engine is known for doing that to plugs..... grrrr ). [:mad:]
 
Thanks for the advise guys, I've had a try and don't seem to be getting anywhere so I've got a handy chap (ex AA - not the boozin type either) coming on Tuesday. Can I get these plugs off the high street anywhere? Can see them on Halfords' website?
 
A few basics. Spark plugs do not 'wear out' with 'old age' i.e. 7 years.
It is 'use' that wears them out. The mileage done dictates how much has eroded from the points and with electronic ignition, even a significantly wider-than-standard gap will fire. So if the car won't start - it is highly unlikely that all 4 plugs have failed totally and at the same time.

Before potentially snapping a plug or stripping a thread, try all other ways with the help of your ex-AA man - to get your engine problem sorted and started - because removing a 'tight' plug from an alloy cylinder head is best done with a hot engine . The chances of damage are much higher with a cold engine.

If you do succeed in removing plugs without damage, the first thing to buy is a tube or tin of Copaslip. Apply it to the new plug threads and also get a small blob (the size of an emoticon [:)] ) on the end of a small screwdriver and apply it to the threads in the head itself by rotating said screwdriver. Fit plugs and use a torque wrench rather than guesswork to tighten new plugs.
Anytime you remove plugs in the future, put another small smear on threads. The same goes for virtually all steel bolts into the alloy block - unless Porsche specify another product. I have been rebuilding all-alloy Rover V8's for about thirty years and Copaslip is a vital ingredient in stopping corrosion of steel threads tapped in alloy castings. With the 924S and 944 both tending to shear bolts on the water pump, if you are fitting a pump make sure threads are cleaned with a tap, copper grease thread and the shank of the bolt so it will not seize in the plain section of the hole through the pump body.
Copaslip is also brilliant for putting on the locating register of Porsche alloy wheels.
I have just had to spend quite a time kicking alternate sides of a back wheel to break the 'bond' where a totally ungreased alloy wheel had corroded and locked solidly onto the ferrous hub. Previous owner or servicing garages were lacking in basic maintenance.
 
As Muddy says it is highly unlikely that four plugs have failed at the same time. So work backwards. The first thing you come to is the dizzy cap. Check that and the rotor arm.
If dizzy okay then check the coil.
Common problem is the DME relay. Easily obtainable from Bert at Berlyn Services.

Hope you get it started, then you can swqp the plugs when the engine has warmed up.

Cheers,

 
While all of this is fine advice concerning spark plugs, are you sure it is lack of a spark that is causing the problem?

If it is a non-starter, try the classic tests - do you have fuel at the injectors? Do you have a spark? (Test for spark with a spark gap tester, or by putting another plug in the end of an HT lead and resting it on the cylinder head.)

There are lots of reasons why any car might not start - DME is a classic on 944's - you need to work through them methodically to solve the problem.

Plugs being old is not necessarily a problem, but it sounds like changing them may be a good idea when you have got it running! They are less than £2 each from ECP last time I purchased, and are about £1 if you are buying them 'in the trade'.


Oli.
 
I thought the plugs were supposed to be changes as part of the Service on the 944 every 12K?

But agree, unlikely bad plugs will prevent starting- will give bad running when started. Good advice from Oli above, those spark testers are a good tool (fit in between lead and plug, they light up with every spark).
 
What fantastic customer service! Received an email from Andy at Promax this morning reminding that the plugs will have been changed during the 12k service (didn't think to look in the most recent histroy - idiot!), so there's a DME on order to try first. Failing that, my ex-AA man should have the kit for testing the spark etc.. Again guys, much obliged for the advice.
 
I think the service schedule is every 12k to change the plugs, but given the price of them tend to do them every 6k. I have seen too many problems from duff spark plugs to see any point in not spending the money ...

Spark Gap Tool I was thinking of was this:

http://i24.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/86/b7/a036_1_b.JPG

It is a hugely useful tool in diagnostics - it shows whether there is a spark present on an HT lead, and you can adjust it to show how much power there is in it. A modern electronic ignition system should easily be able to spark 1cm or more - less and you can bet you have a problem.


Oli.
 
Sorted! Ex-AA man turned up and, embarrasingly, it started first time! He reckons it was flooded. So anyone fancy an unused, unopened and undelivered DME unit? Took it out for a spin and having stripped all the stereo equipment (considerable) spare wheel and tool kit out, it certainly feels lighter on its toes - brilliant!
 
Bennyboy,
I assume you mean DME Relay rather than the DME unit itself. Keep it in the glovebox as a spare, common failure on 944 etc.

Cheers,
 

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