NO CARS FOR SALE OLD CHESTNUT IS BACK

carreraboy · Nov 11, 2006

I have never known such a drought of 964RS particularly this time of year for sale. I am getting calls from private buyers and indeed a couple of dealers askig if I know of anything. Prices on H&S seem to lead the way ahead....I would think the days of a half decent car under £30K are few these cars are now creeping ahaed to £35K and the Garage Queens making over £40K all LHD....

chfs911 · Nov 11, 2006

Thomas has a Mint CS for sale. Making a quick buck are you Des?

SimonExtreme · Nov 11, 2006

ORIGINAL: chfs911

Thomas has a Mint CS for sale.

Is that "mint" colour or condition![

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SimonExtreme · Nov 11, 2006

I agree, Des. So just think how much RHD cars are now worth as there are none on the market at all!

jason · Nov 11, 2006

ORIGINAL: SimonExtreme

I agree, Des. So just think how much RHD cars are now worth...

less, unless you are mentaly unstable of course[

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clubsport · Nov 11, 2006

It seems similar to how it has been all year to me, possible pick up in the new year towards spring when peoples minds to turn to track days and car shows.

A quick scan on mobile.de shows the number of cars for sale.

964 RS = 27
993RS = 9
996GT3 = 104
993GT2 = 8

Basic supply/demand theory can give you an idea on the current state of the market [

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carreraboy · Nov 11, 2006

Paul if there is a lack NOW what when the season get's going !!!! The 993RS have been leading the way I'm sure the 993RS Clubsport will be as collectable and desirable as the 993 GT2 one day oh and as valuable.....the N/GT market well......but take heart GT3 market flooded and falling........so track day hack still affordable...[

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clubsport · Nov 11, 2006

Des, the way values are....by the time you get round to tracking yours....you will have to reconsider, as it will be worth too much [

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carreraboy · Nov 11, 2006

Yes Paul, N/GT values soaring daily so would guess by 26th November may have her locked up in a vault........interestingly had a lenghty chat with a well known specialist retailer at MPH 06 who will not touch more modern water cooled cars if he can help it, says the market has really shifted in the last 12 months for good air-cooled 911.......can't get enough 993 let alone the elite of the species..........it won't be long before we see converted cars to RS spec recreation cars 964/993 a la 2.7RS while prices rise.

SimonExtreme · Nov 11, 2006

ORIGINAL: clubsport

It seems similar to how it has been all year to me, possible pick up in the new year towards spring when peoples minds to turn to track days and car shows.

A quick scan on mobile.de shows the number of cars for sale.

964 RS = 27
993RS = 9
996GT3 = 104
993GT2 = 8

Basic supply/demand theory can give you an idea on the current state of the market []

So as I know of 1 RHD 993 RS for sale and no 964RS's, the later must be the one to have and the one that is appreciating the most![

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BTW, as a %age of what was built, does this mean that almost everybody is selling their GT3's? I wonder why? [

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Hacki · Nov 12, 2006

Hi Des,

seems to be the same here in Germany. Dealers asking for RS and Cup Cars. These last original looking 911s (964 RS and Cup) will be more expensive year by year.
993 RS and GT 2 are also rare, prices are rising. The myth of the last aircooled 911 is unbeatable.

Having one of those toys means: Wait, you´ll make your money. In the meantime: Let it SCREAM, that´s what it was made for and it can stand it - for sure!

Watercooled 911s seem to be made for those who also try to understand women.

Regards,

Hacki

carreraboy · Nov 13, 2006

ORIGINAL: Hacki

Hi Des,

seems to be the same here in Germany. Dealers asking for RS and Cup Cars. These last original looking 911s (964 RS and Cup) will be more expensive year by year.
993 RS and GT 2 are also rare, prices are rising. The myth of the last aircooled 911 is unbeatable.

Having one of those toys means: Wait, you´ll make your money. In the meantime: Let it SCREAM, that´s what it was made for and it can stand it - for sure!

Watercooled 911s seem to be made for those who also try to understand women.

Regards,

Hacki

Hmmmmm So what is the theory Hacki with Woman and Water Cooled 911?

Hacki · Nov 13, 2006

No complicated theory...

understanding women is impossible, considering watercooled 911s the real thing is also impossible, so it must have something in common....

Do you have a theory?

max1966 · Nov 17, 2006

Hi all , new to this forum as I'm starting to look for an RS.

There is as I'm sure you are all aware a RH car for sale on Pistonheads along with a seemingly 'nicer' and cheaper Lhooker which is similar. Not of course mentioning the car in NZ, if only.

I have not had a chance to drive either type (although a trader in Edinburgh has a LH car so get a move on lad) my main question is whether there is a noticeable difference in pedal feel due to the 'conversion' to RH. Is driving a LH car going to give me a fair indication of RH experience and is it worthwhile to pay a premium for RH.

I only want the car for recreational use and track days therefore LH doesn't put me off but current and future value of RH cars is always going to be better and from a practical point RH would suit my very nervous passenger/other half. I currrently drive an Elise 135R which is hard as nails on the road but perfect on the track and my wife hates it, aaaargh.

This is not to be an investment, I truly want to buy a great car, but with residuals on GT3's still falling not sure if thats the best place to put the cash and the classic appearance of the 964 easily wins, even over 993's, for me.

cheers

Malcolm

Melv · Nov 17, 2006

I've always felt pedal set up better in a left hooker, in RH you have to sit slightly skew -oh, and latter has unneccesary power steering.......

OllieW · Nov 17, 2006

ORIGINAL: Melv

I've always felt pedal set up better in a left hooker, in RH you have to sit slightly skew -oh, and latter has unneccesary power steering.......

Not that the latter's power steering is over assisted, most of the time you cannot tell it has it as the assistance is very slight... In fact driving Allan's (Mr Weltmeister at Silverstone) car which is a left hooker and then driving my RHD car, I could not tell the difference between the two cars steering feel or feedback.

Pedals are slightly off to the left and you definately don't sit legs straight out as you do in a left hooker but it took me 10 minutes to get used to it and now I don't notice it.

If you think pedal position in a RHD RS is bad you should drive a DB7, I kept trying to use the brake pedal as the clutch they are that far over.

SimonExtreme · Nov 17, 2006

The driving position of RHD is different from LHD but neither are perfect! By degrees, the LHD car is marginally better than the RHD cars but there are plenty of sports car competitors which are nowhere near as good as a RHD 964. As for the power steering, I have to agree with Ollie on this one. Except at low speed, where you feel the weight of the LHD steering, you can bearly tell the difference. I can only go on what others who have driven my car have said and the concensus is that the steering on my car has as much feel and feedback as you could want.

If I were only using a car for trackdays, I would buy a LHD car and save the money. If you are going to use it on the roads for anything other than to get to and from trackdays, and you can afford the difference in price, I would buy RHD.

max1966 · Nov 17, 2006

thanks for the info.

will continue looking and must try to drive or get out in one at least

any owners in edinburgh fancy meeting for a chat and a look at their car, mutually agreed venue and all that, if so send me a pm

cheers

Malcolm

jason · Nov 17, 2006

Come on Charles....sure you can get a bunch of scottish guys together as an excuse to meet Malcolm and correct him on the rubbish these RHD boys talk [

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