Non OPC service stamp

Hasan · Mar 30, 2008

Hi,
I've just spoken to a guy selling a 997 and it has everything I'm looking for.
The only thing is that the last stamp is from Nick Whale Sportscars (Where he bought the car)
Now, I know that Nick Whale Holdings do own 2 OPC's, but this is division isn't and I've always had cars with full Porsche History.
Should I be bothered by this?, will it effect re-sale value? or am I just being fussy?

The warranty on the car was also supplied by Nick Whale so I don't know how comprehensive it is compared to the Porsche Extended Warranty I've had on my previous 996.

Thanks

dereksharpuk · Mar 30, 2008

No, you should not be bothered, but should offer less for the car.

IMO the car will be great; Nick Whale Sportscars is a perfectly good independent. My son bought a 996 C4S from Autobahn and got good treatment.

However, you should pay much less for it than if you bought it from an OPC, for the following reasons:

1. OPC prices are much higher because Porsche insist on much higher standards of preparation, eg minimun tire wear, full geometry check etc.
2. You will get less for the cat when you sell if it does not have a full Porsche service history. However, this will not apply when the car become older.

Beware; the warranty may not be transferable. However, you can always purchase a warranty from Porsche if they inspect the vehicle. My son previously bought a Boxster privately and I had Swindon Porsche service it, inspect it and warranty it. This way you will be able to have a full set of Porsche stamps. It will cost, but you will have more peace of mind and will recover some of the cost when you sell

Hasan · Mar 30, 2008

Hi Derek,

Thanks for your advice.

After some thought, I want the car I buy to have an official Porsche Warranty and History......at 3 years old, it shouldn't be leaving the dealer network in my opnion!
The search goes on.

Update: Someone else bought the car this morning...who says the market is depressed at the moment!

dereksharpuk · Mar 30, 2008

Probably a good idea, however, do remember a serious facelift is just around the corner (Jul 08) so if you can wait, prices of older 997s will drop quite a bit.

garyw · Mar 31, 2008

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Probably a good idea, however, do remember a serious facelift is just around the corner (Jul 08) so if you can wait, prices of older 997s will drop quite a bit.

and a short while after the facelift the 998 will be along and then we all die... [

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I fitted new bulbs in mine the other week, does that now qualify as a facelift..??

garyw

pwebb · Mar 31, 2008

Gary
Only if you rubbed botox round the headlamps afterwards

garyw · Mar 31, 2008

ORIGINAL: pwebb

Gary
Only if you rubbed botox round the headlamps afterwards

Doh! [

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daro911 · Mar 31, 2008

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

Probably a good idea, however, do remember a serious facelift is just around the corner (Jul 08) so if you can wait, prices of older 997s will drop quite a bit.

Also remember far bigger than the "facelift" is the state of the economy so if you can wait prices of any car will be in free fall [&o]

The standard of service being achieved at many OPC's today is way below a good indi IMO and with that in mind I wouldn't be put off in the slightest if the service history isn't with an OPC. It goes without saying any indi or specialist should be selling there used stocks way below the local OPC's who are unbeatable when it comes to achieving the maximum price when selling and sadly the lowest prices when buying in [

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IanWarr · Apr 1, 2008

Everyone is to worried about 997 residuals!

If we all started to love them more, drive them more and keep them a little longer, then the price would hold up better!

In my opinion, Porsche (as great as they are) have never managed to release a new modle that was any better than the old one, until the bugs have been washed out, generally 6 - 12 months later.

When the 996 was released, I was a proud owner of a 993. I was at Milbrooke, involved in a testing day and the 996's the dismantling themselves all over the place. if my menory serves me correctly, Tiff (of Tog Gear fame and fortune, now Fith Gear) jumped out of one whist it was still on the move, after the engine gave way and it became a ball of flames!!

What a great new car!

Anyway - Love your 997, Drive it, keep it, all of you keep them! that way used prices will stay high. If you need need a 998, ask yourself why? then keep the 997 and have both!!

dereksharpuk · Apr 2, 2008

ORIGINAL: daro911

Also remember far bigger than the "facelift" is the state of the economy so if you can wait prices of any car will be in free fall [&o]

An interesting point! Given that BMW make a 2 door Coupe that enjoys an EVO 5* rating, is well made, has higher bhp/ton and accelerates as quick as a 997S and cost over £20K less (even before discounts), Porsche have little room to manoeuvre with prices, especially as sales continue to fall. I will await MY09 prices with some interest. [

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channella · Apr 2, 2008

ORIGINAL: IanWarr

Everyone is to worried about 997 residuals!

If we all started to love them more, drive them more and keep them a little longer, then the price would hold up better!

Couldn't agree more. Porsche sell new cars. Lower residuals just encourages changing earlier and the spiral continues. The 2 year warranty drives this too - clever those guys at Porsche. You know they do employ a consultancy exclusively for setting the price of their new cars.

As to non-OPC service stamp, if it is from a reputable independent I wouldn't be concerned at all. Given the 2yr warranty, I can see 3 year old cars easily being in the independent network.

okellyt · Apr 3, 2008

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

An interesting point! Given that BMW make a 2 door Coupe that enjoys an EVO 5* rating, is well made, has higher bhp/ton and accelerates as quick as a 997S and cost over £20K less (even before discounts), [/quote]

Not if you have the 997s powerkit 269 bhp/ton minimum. GT purely Porsche clocked it at 4.3 secs to 60mph. Also a world diffreent to drive the 997S is shrpre and much more fun. Ultimately faster as the old BMW one heavy set of breaking and the disks are fried propblem is still not cured.

Advert for Porcsche over. My concern is with the 10k hike in M3 costs to low 50's. once specced you are into abse 997 territroy - this might encourage our friends at Porsche to up the price even more to maintain the price gap. using the excuse that Prosche's ahve never been about striaght line perfroamnce, blah blah blah....

If I can resist the temptation for a Turbo I intend to keep my 997S powerkit for a while (to circa 4 years old plus from new) - just a few visits to Revo/DMS and/or Manthey to keep up with the silly saloons.

Problem is an OPC lent me a 997 Turbo for a long weekend to and around Yorkshire. I have become addicted to that power. my word its fast.