Not an RS but anyone know this track car?

[RSGulp]

Currently advertised at RPM. Believed previously advertised at SCoM. Does anyone know the car or know the previous owner it was built for?

1990 C2 Coupe Track ready - £19,995
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-964/porsche-911-carrera-c2-1990-track-ready/951023

 

[h_____]

Make sure you know which RPM it is! Looks like a good start point for a project. Lots of good work done already and competitive. I'd want the engine checked out - then looks like a good buy.

Rich - you getting interested?

 

[RSGulp]

This is RPM Specialist Cars in Yorkshire. They built the car a few years ago for a customer.

I don't know much about them.

 

[ChrisW]

They are a good crew ... have a lot of experience first with Andrew Mearns (Gmund cars) ---

Observations ... 1. 1300Kilos os quite heavy if stripped out. 2. It doesn't mention a locking diff 3. No mention of power 4. 16" wheels ? 5. PSS9's ??

And originally a sunroof car ..

In a way, a strange starting point ...

 

[RSGulp]

I assume the bonnet is still a steel one, and the full cage and plumbed in fire extinguisher must add ++weight. No mention of engine work/rebuild, LSD or gearbox work. I assume standard 250bhp. Hence my question about the previous owner - would be a good starting point for a chat.

Tentatively thinking about something like this - would tick the boxes re an affordable, trackable car and also entry to PCGB Speed Championship and all the fun that brings. []

 

[Steve Brookes]

The 1300 Kg would have been the right weight for PCGB championship at the time it was built (or at least what is was aimed for as I don't think 964s were eligible fro PCGB champs until 2007?). It would have needed to retain standard brakes too, as mentioned in the ad. Starting with a sunroof and welding it is quite common too because non sunroof C2s are hard to come by (Marcus Carniel's Class 1 winner in 2010 had a welded roof). I guess the PSS9 suspension came later when the owner decided not to race it because that suspension wouldn't have been allowed by the regs. I guess also that the good wheels got sold off and the D90s bunged on when the decision was made to sell it. Might be worth asking other PCGB 964 racers like Marcus, Richard Lambert, Kevin Harrison or Ian White if they know the car.

I agree that it's probably ready for an engine rebuild if your main aim is to race/track it. Definitely worth a look IMO. []

 

[h_____]

Rich, the biggest decision to make is what do you want to spend? This car, whilst could use some extras as pointed out ,is actually quite well priced. Decent 964 Track cars or RS hommages, cost a fair bit to get one with a decent spec. This doesnt seem too bad. Plus, if you just want get started in sprinting straight away, this would be perfect, the rest can come over time.

 

[RSGulp]

Yep, at the moment any half-decent manual 964 C2 is going to cost IRO £18-19k and prices ain't going down. And that's for a standard road car with no track prep whatsoever. I have a set of 17" Cups sitting in the garage and other things can be changed as a when needed. The question mark is whether the engine has had a refresh, LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch, etc.... hmmm...

 

[carreraboy]

C4?

 

[h_____]

ORIGINAL: RSGulp

Yep, at the moment any half-decent manual 964 C2 is going to cost IRO £18-19k and prices ain't going down. And that's for a standard road car with no track prep whatsoever. I have a set of 17" Cups sitting in the garage and other things can be changed as a when needed. The question mark is whether the engine has had a refresh, LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch, etc.... hmmm...

LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch - All nice to have, but I've only ever felt the diff when its wet. And to be honest throttle control will comepensate to a good extent. Maybe clutch is handy for sprinting, I dont know......the rest is in the driver!

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: RSGulp

Currently advertised at RPM. Believed previously advertised at SCoM. Does anyone know the car or know the previous owner it was built for?

1990 C2 Coupe Track ready - £19,995
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-964/porsche-911-carrera-c2-1990-track-ready/951023

Richard makes more sense peddlin £20k than £90K round Spa[]

 

[clubsport]

ORIGINAL: h_____

ORIGINAL: RSGulp

Yep, at the moment any half-decent manual 964 C2 is going to cost IRO £18-19k and prices ain't going down. And that's for a standard road car with no track prep whatsoever. I have a set of 17" Cups sitting in the garage and other things can be changed as a when needed. The question mark is whether the engine has had a refresh, LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch, etc.... hmmm...

LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch - All nice to have, but I've only ever felt the diff when its wet. And to be honest throttle control will comepensate to a good extent. Maybe clutch is handy for sprinting, I dont know......the rest is in the driver!

Lsd is definitely beneficial in the wet, not just from a traction/power point of view, but under braking. Having driven cars into paddock at Brands in the wet, you can definitely tell when a diff is working or not!

 

[Steve Brookes]

ORIGINAL: h_____


LSD, lighter flywheel, clutch - All nice to have, but I've only ever felt the diff when its wet. And to be honest throttle control will comepensate to a good extent. Maybe clutch is handy for sprinting, I dont know......the rest is in the driver!

No LSD on mine (yet [] ) but I would say that changing to the LWF and clutch was the second best upgrade I've had done on my C2. It pulls so much better out of corners than it did with the old DMF. For Rich's information the LWF/clutch upgrade costs about £1500 (fitted).

 

[paul howells]

Rich,it would make a great speed champ car,especially for the first couple of years,you would not need to change much.Put a clutch plate in when required,lsd for speed not totally ness again until later.
Most lsd need proper set up,otherwise you get understeer when you dont want it.lsd do help with throttle lift off in the wet,but dont be a pussy just grab a handfull of opposite lock[] Be surprised if it has no lsd if it was pcgb entry to be!
Easy to make lighter with doors and front hood etc[],also you could run it in the p2 class upto 250bhp.
After a couple of years into the speed champs,you would look to replace it for something faster as those 964 arnt very fast any way[][]
I see des is forever hopeful of values at 90k!![]

 

[ChrisW]

So there's your answer Rich, ask them !

They've worked on a few of my cars and always spend the time to get it spot on ..

Genuinely good guys with plenty of experience ...

If you aren't going to drive, catch the train to Knaresborough and Andy or ? will meet you ?