OBD Seminar Cornbury House 2nd March
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Dave Wilkinson
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Yes I agree - on all counts. It WAS very useful although it did highlight a few issues that owners obviously would like to be able to do where the current interface and software fall short. It may be that the original Porsche/Bosch/Hella hardware just doesn't provide the kind of diagnostic we are after but I have posted a question on Rennlist to see if more is available. I'll keep the forum informed.
We managed to fill the best part of the available space today so, in some respects, it might have been a tad embarrassing if too many 964 owners had turned up!! Still, 3 or 4 wasn't too bad - and they are, remember, rarer than 993s!!!
Thanks again to Maurice for the obvious effort he has put into researching and preparing the seminar - now if only we'd had time to get into those 3,000 slides in my presentation!!!
Incidentally, for those who might have just the slightest interest, the 964 C4-specific PDAS acronym stands for Porsche Dynamische Allrad Steuerung - the best English translation I can find is Porsche (had to work hard on that bit) Dynamic All-wheel Control. It's the bit of electronic wizardry that handles the two diff locks to give the 964 C4 the 1989 equivalent of traction control.
Regards
Dave
We managed to fill the best part of the available space today so, in some respects, it might have been a tad embarrassing if too many 964 owners had turned up!! Still, 3 or 4 wasn't too bad - and they are, remember, rarer than 993s!!!
Thanks again to Maurice for the obvious effort he has put into researching and preparing the seminar - now if only we'd had time to get into those 3,000 slides in my presentation!!!
Incidentally, for those who might have just the slightest interest, the 964 C4-specific PDAS acronym stands for Porsche Dynamische Allrad Steuerung - the best English translation I can find is Porsche (had to work hard on that bit) Dynamic All-wheel Control. It's the bit of electronic wizardry that handles the two diff locks to give the 964 C4 the 1989 equivalent of traction control.
Regards
Dave
JB 3.2
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Maurice, talking to delegates at the seminar, I think most of us would like the flexibility of having the 'kit' available at home, and it would be great if we can source the parts.
I had a quick look on ebay earlier and there appear to be a number of OBD scanners available, mainly from Asia or Germany. Do you know if these offer the same flexibility as the ones presented at the seminar, or are they limited to engine diagnostics only?
Thanks again for the seminar, have you thought about making it an annual event? there appear to be a number of subject areas for discussion
I had a quick look on ebay earlier and there appear to be a number of OBD scanners available, mainly from Asia or Germany. Do you know if these offer the same flexibility as the ones presented at the seminar, or are they limited to engine diagnostics only?
Thanks again for the seminar, have you thought about making it an annual event? there appear to be a number of subject areas for discussion
JB 3.2
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I'm not sure if the link below will work, but it appears the OBD II cable may be available from here: If we go down this route we may be able to negotiate a deal as they are quite local, I will contact them with regard to the OBD I plug
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-diagnostic-serial-16-pin-cable-for-cars_W0QQitemZ150220886674QQihZ005QQcategoryZ30921QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-diagnostic-serial-16-pin-cable-for-cars_W0QQitemZ150220886674QQihZ005QQcategoryZ30921QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Likewise - a big thanks to Maurice and Dave, and really good to meet so many 993/964 people at last. You're a friendly bunch.
Just back in Glasgow - not a bad run and great driving weather until about 50 miles south of Glasgow when the rain started (how unusual[8|])
Thanks - good seminar.
Just back in Glasgow - not a bad run and great driving weather until about 50 miles south of Glasgow when the rain started (how unusual[8|])
Thanks - good seminar.
Yes, thanks for all your efforts in making this seminar happen. As I was pulling away my ABS and ABD warning lights were illuminated - if I hadn't have had to be at a Mothers Day lunch we may have been able to see a real fault code [
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Looking forward to more of these technical sessions
]Looking forward to more of these technical sessions
JB 3.2
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Gary, keep us informed of your findings as my ABD light also came on during the jouney home. It has happened before and the fault code reading indicated a problem with the brake light switch! which I'm not convinced about. According to the Rennlist forum it could also be an early sign of battery failure.
Hi Maurice.
Was a good day yesterday. Very worth while. Even had good weather too!
Do you remember as I was leaving I said I was going to fill up in Chippy with V Power? Normal unleaded was £1.06 and we thought that the V-Power would be a few pence more, well try 7p, yeh £1.13 p Litre![] That was very painful on the plastic![&o] but did notice the difference driving home![]
Graham
Was a good day yesterday. Very worth while. Even had good weather too!
Do you remember as I was leaving I said I was going to fill up in Chippy with V Power? Normal unleaded was £1.06 and we thought that the V-Power would be a few pence more, well try 7p, yeh £1.13 p Litre![
] That was very painful on the plastic![&o] but did notice the difference driving home![]Graham
JB 3.2
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I have had confirmation from two sellers that OBD II scanners available on ebay will only do engine diagnostics and not all the other extras such as ABS etc, that were mentioned at the forum.
The round pin connectors for earlier 993 and 964 cars are still very difficult to source in the UK (as stated by Maurice and Dave) although the later rectangle type appear to be available, but may require modifications to fit the interface box.
The round pin connectors for earlier 993 and 964 cars are still very difficult to source in the UK (as stated by Maurice and Dave) although the later rectangle type appear to be available, but may require modifications to fit the interface box.
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Hi Maurice.
Was a good day yesterday. Very worth while. Even had good weather too!
Do you remember as I was leaving I said I was going to fill up in Chippy with V Power? Normal unleaded was £1.06 and we thought that the V-Power would be a few pence more, well try 7p, yeh £1.13 p Litre![
Graham
I spotted a handy Shell garage just outside Morton-on-Marsh on the way back and went to fill up with V-Power - as I was standing there with the nozzle in the tank, I noticed the price was £1.21 - [8|] -nearly had a heart attack...
Pete
Maurice and Dave
I agree with all comments. It was a great day out and without traffic problems made a very good drive, on schedule both ways. Even the M25 was without incident.[] Thanks to you both for all the info.
Thanks also to Mark for showing me his Becker Indianapolis. I am trying to get my radio working better than it does at present and think that a modern Becker is the one to go for to keep the proper look.
Searched the web when I got back and found this link with quite a lot of info and also a link to download the scan tool software, which is I think is the one Maurice was using. There is also some other software which could be of interest.
http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/Porsche/Motronic-964-Porsche.htm
Maurice some pics will be along shortly.
Good to meet some more 993 owners and try to put faces to the forum signatures.
Michael
I agree with all comments. It was a great day out and without traffic problems made a very good drive, on schedule both ways. Even the M25 was without incident.[
] Thanks to you both for all the info.Thanks also to Mark for showing me his Becker Indianapolis. I am trying to get my radio working better than it does at present and think that a modern Becker is the one to go for to keep the proper look.
Searched the web when I got back and found this link with quite a lot of info and also a link to download the scan tool software, which is I think is the one Maurice was using. There is also some other software which could be of interest.
http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/Porsche/Motronic-964-Porsche.htm
Maurice some pics will be along shortly.
Good to meet some more 993 owners and try to put faces to the forum signatures.
Michael
JB 3.2
New member
Following on from Maurices link, I've contacted Ricardo on the Rennlist site who appears to be the person doing the group build for the Scantool Interface. with a view to seeing if we could arrange to get a supply for the UK.
Ricardo informs me there are problems with getting around the immobiliser on the OBD II (rectangular plug) 993's and he does not have a plug and play solution, without having to open and modify the immobiliser ECU!
I don't understand the problem fully as the one that Maurice demonstrated at the seminar worked fine.
Ricardo informs me there are problems with getting around the immobiliser on the OBD II (rectangular plug) 993's and he does not have a plug and play solution, without having to open and modify the immobiliser ECU!
I don't understand the problem fully as the one that Maurice demonstrated at the seminar worked fine.
A discussion on the Boxster forum has caused me to spot this:
http://www.durametric.com
And it claims to work with 993 (and indeed the version history shows mods made to fix problems for 993s with OBD2 plugs).
Anyone with a UK 993 tried it?
http://www.durametric.com
And it claims to work with 993 (and indeed the version history shows mods made to fix problems for 993s with OBD2 plugs).
Anyone with a UK 993 tried it?
I guess this is the problem with the Durametric software/USB cable. They say it works with 993 but they are not recognising that RoW cars have different electronics, shame.[
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But.... I've now had this back from Durametric:
HI Mark,
All of the electronics, are in the normal diagnostic cable / USB cable. You do not need the additional adapter for a 1996 models even though the European model uses Motronic 2.1 (Pre-OBD2) the normal cable will work with this car.
Best Regards,
Duram
Durametric Software
Quite tempted by this. It's less than the cost of one tyre - and if it doesn't work I'll get most of my money back (I won't get the shipping or duty back). May be going to US next week for work, so I might not even have to pay that.
HI Mark,
All of the electronics, are in the normal diagnostic cable / USB cable. You do not need the additional adapter for a 1996 models even though the European model uses Motronic 2.1 (Pre-OBD2) the normal cable will work with this car.
Best Regards,
Duram
Durametric Software
Quite tempted by this. It's less than the cost of one tyre - and if it doesn't work I'll get most of my money back (I won't get the shipping or duty back). May be going to US next week for work, so I might not even have to pay that.
JB 3.2
New member
Maurice,
I've had both a sleep and a drink since last Sunday! I can recall a discussion about DME M2.1 (RS) and DME M2.10 but not specific details.
According to 'Adrian Streathers' book, if I have read it correctly. the USA market uses a Bosch M5.2 system for normally aspirated engines. Is this why the Durametric system may be unsuitable for UK M2.10 codes?
I've had both a sleep and a drink since last Sunday! I can recall a discussion about DME M2.1 (RS) and DME M2.10 but not specific details.
According to 'Adrian Streathers' book, if I have read it correctly. the USA market uses a Bosch M5.2 system for normally aspirated engines. Is this why the Durametric system may be unsuitable for UK M2.10 codes?
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