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My copy dropped through the door this morning and it features Porsche RS from 73 to 997RS. Tony Dron has his name to the article and he has not got much good to say for the 964RS!Even the owner John Powell agreed "its a horrible road car". Dron goes on to say "to convince a doubter about the whole 911 idear the last car he would pick is 964RS!On the Track he was impressed! " extreme fun for hard nuts" but he would not like to drive home in it. I am wondering if Johns car is a Club sport?
 
Personally I love driving my RS on the road! I love the hardcore feel, the rawness and of course the noise! I must be "a nut" then as I love the "extreme fun" of it all.
Lets face it, the RS is not for everyone. You either love it or you hate it but at least it's different and I think thats why I love it most of all! I love my RS cause it's different and it's hardcore!!!![:D][:D][:D]...and I don't care what some guy says in a magazine!
 
I drove my RS back from Le Mans earlier this week.

We left Sees at 10am French time, stopped for lunch, stopped to shop, spent two hours on the ferry, dropped off a friend and his kit and got home at 10:30pm UK time.

That's a 13.5hr total journey, of which probably 3-4 hrs was not spent driving the car.

When I got home I felt the same as I would if I'd done the same journey in my BMW (which I have done in the past).

The only difference was I was my grin and I couldn't go to sleep for a few hours due to all the adrenaline flowing! :ROFLMAO: Our cars make great GT cars as well as quick-sprinters.
 
I must admit i am surprised that a hard core Porsche fan such as Tony Dron made those comments. But, at the end of the day, it is only one man's opinion. Maybe if the owner of the car is finding it too noisy, he might like to raffle it. I'd have a couple of tickets![:D]
 
Tony has just published a book comparing how various (all?) Porsches drive. I suspect this was adapted from the relevant chapter.
 
Yeh but.........."Out on the track in this beast, I had my best fun of the day so far."

Dronny drove my Cup Car at Goodwood for a Classic Car article at Goodwood and loved it!


 
Need to keep it in perspective - against the other cars there the 964RS is the most hardcore in many ways. On std suspension it does try to throw you in a ditch on bumpy roads at speed.
I run mine on the road a bit and with 18" wheels and race construction tyres it's bloody awful compared with road tyres on 17's - but I don't care!

Tony




 
It's my experience that these cars vary very significantly.

I once owned two and struggled with one as much as I loved the other.

Supple and compliant are not the assets of tired suspension --- was that his problem ?

Even my Clubsport is now noticeably compliant by comparison to the previous LHD car which I sold, --- lovely car, fettled by a top company, but terribly stiff. IMHO.




 
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It's my experience that these cars vary very significantly.

I once owned two and struggled with one as much as I loved the other.

Supple and compliant are not the assets of tired suspension --- was that his problem ?

Even my Clubsport is now noticeably compliant by comparison to the previous LHD car which I sold, --- lovely car, fettled by a top company, but terribly stiff. IMHO.
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The difference between a good car and a bad one is stunning and there are so many factors. To start with, you need to know whether the car is on standard suspension. There are certainly a fair number of cars out there that have had pretty "firm" race set ups fitted. Then, there is the problem of how worn it is. I drove a fair number of cars before buying mine and most were poor. Some even scared me, as the suspension simply didn't work and the cars were all over the road. Finally, there is a great deal of difference in the way cars are set up. To get one that handles properly you need the suspension to be in perfect condition, with the right settings and the car corner weighted. I believe that in that state, all the talk of the car throwing you off the road simply disappears. I have never had my car skip across the road or anything like that. If it did it on the road, imagine what it would be like when you go over the rumble strips on the track! I certainly am happy to use them.

The bottom line is that Tony either had a preconceived idea before getting into the car (most likely) or he is getting seriously soft. There are many cars out there today that have just as harsh a ride. I wonder if he missed the cup holders as well!
 
Carpet -it's what he asked for.......that soft northerner UberDave 191's car...[;)]
 
Des, you are likely to cause even more confusion if you start referring to the 964 CS as Carpet Spec! [:D]
 
I know the cup car suspension is different (spring rates approx double I think) but isn't the spring and damper settings of an N/GT the same as the carpeted model[:)]

With regard to the 'being thrown off the road thing' - on std suspension (in good condition - correctly set) the rebound rate of the front dampers is considerably greater than for example the 993RS (which has the same front springs), on medium undulations such as many roads in east anglia it can cause the front wheels to either loose grip or 'confuses' the ABS. On most roads it isn't a problem - bumps are either short and just uncomfortable or long and smoothed out but in certain conditions softer sprung hot hatches can be quicker.

Tony


 
Tony

I will have to take your word for it. I have driven about 14,000 miles in my car on all roads and have never felt this in any way at all. Over here in Oz, the roads are worse than the UK but still no issue. I have even tried to get the car to do this. I personally believe that this behavior is not just due to the rebound rates and that you can dial the behavior out. In my service file, there is one report of the PO having this problem. He then had all the key components replaced, including wishbones and had competely different settings. The mechanic reported he couldn't get the car to bounce the front end any more.

I know it is a seperate thread, but it might be worth comparing suspension settings. I know that I am nowhere near standard (and nor are my suspension settings[:D])
 
Simon,
You may be right, the trouble is comparing like with like. I can identify some of the roads where I had the problem and they're always minor country roads with a fairly pronounced crown. I know others who have had the same problem. But whether settings were standard and all components at their best who knows. For me the car was transformed when new dampers were fitted with a different rebound rate.
This was before having the wishbones rebushed - and that also changed the feel of the front end.

In the spirit of 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours' I'll send yo an email with my settings.

Tony
 
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